Thanks for clearing that up welltimat, you are indeed entitled to your position. But I never declared myself winner at all, it was the majority opinion as I read it. And yes, I do think that being game leader by far in every respect (in the endgame) is a good reason to claim victory, but, again, I only accepted that position...never claimed it.

This whole endeavor has left a sour taste in my mouth. I don't care who is declared winner and never did. Of course I tried to win and was happy to accept that position when people thought it was right.

Welltimat, if you felt so strongly about this, why didn't you say something two turns ago? You waited until I had another stale or two and started complaining?

I propose to just put it to a vote: if you want find a sub after four stales in a row for Bandar and continue playing, say so. Or whatever; the game's a draw, Mictlan's the winner, I'm the winner, Abysias the winner, etc..vote for whatever you each think is the right outcome for this game...I'll abstain.