[HoneyBadger]

I disagree that trying to maintain order and politeness, as professionals trying to run a business, and then enforcing that, in a professional way, translates in any way to a state of fascism.

If someone comes into a store, and starts harassing the clerks, knocking over displays, and chasing away customers, how is the store manager supposed to react? How would you react, if you were that manager? If that store is what fed your family? Who's supposed "rights" would you put first: the harasser, or yourself and your employees and your customers?

And if your store is knocked over the first time, will you wait passively for it to happen again, or will you take steps to protect and secure your business, even if it means a more disciplined environment than you've had in the past?

Shrapnel is reacting. That's the moral difference here, as I see it.