[Finalgenesis]

1.7 makes Zmey better I think, since it's a low equip out the box chaff eater, its cost effectiveness has improved against other thug/SC requiring more gears to be effective. I haven't otherwise ran into them in MP much to say more...

I think Shishis are okay. As is they are cheap low equip out the box mini-thug and air caster for 30A, the mobility, anti-chaffness (mistform), native weaponry, native-armor and a bit of anti-demon power gives them a very good value. One of them can even add to a wall def a bit. I've even gotten 3A ones sometime...

I think the low att is a good touch (and its not as if 12 is "low", like gargoyle, golems and the like...), and gives them the weakness of high def troops / thugs with magic weapons. Compare 15A per to 12D bane lord for their different utility and I think it's mostly balanced. I also like the choice of picking at most 3 out of some standard: AMA, Luck, burning pearls, warrior ring and girdle.

Cyclops are nice, as is mech giant with their balance of great advantages and weaknesses. What's said has been said before on them.

Great kraken, Asynja and Ettin I think is meh. I'll just go into Ettin ...

After looking at it some, Ettin suffers from costing N gems and not having enough base SC attributes. No fear, no paths, little innate prot, has incumb, no resist, imperfect MR (the golden 18), no flight, naked (compare it to say bane lord, single digit hammer gems worth of gear is enough to make it effective)...etc, its almost like a naked giant 3 handed human with a lot of hp. Basically it's something requiring more gear to reach effectiveness then many others. It's 3 hand slots allow interesting things, but losing misc kind of equals it in my eyes (I don't even count the extra head, its a trap for overspending!).

Treant I don't have much experience on. They look pretty good actually, I think its the N cost that's cramping their usage. God knows there's never enough N for the globals, fairy queens, GoRs, staple gears...etc.