It's shame you can't read the current Posts, although with the lack of ability you have shown for staying on topic, perhaps it doesn't really matter that much. 
I am pleased I cannot reach the current Posts because my symantec anti-corruption software has blocked it. As this is written by Americans for Americans, I can only assume that you were discussing matters so heinous and disgusting that it really is not fit for public consumption..
As for staying on topic, absolute rhubarb, what is obviously confusing you Geo is the natural progression discussions take, and the way any debating of competing viewpoints will evolve. I shall ask you to keep your left field comments to yourself.
Yeah, no subjective underpinnings in that statment 'eh?
I dont disagree with your statements. We are actually getting on emotive ground (not necessarily for either you or me) here.
There is a very interesting argument here about the 'preconceptions' the average european say developed in the 1950's and 1960's about America, given its obvious strength as a world superpower and the cold war etc. The base discussions that were run (I am recalling my policitics, legal anthropology and public international law courses I did at University) were all on the premis of how world perception of America has changed as the cold war ended, Russia de-hegemonised and the global economy of europe and pacific-rim countries gained in strength. That change of opinion is still ongoing and unfortunately, my personal experience is that it is going somewhat southward
I seriously doubt anyone in this country is suffering from that
I think you are right, now. I dont think the same can be said of quite a few people (senior politicians and otherwise) in the past.
On a side note but related, the subject matter in the "OT I am proud to be an American" thread is a bit disturbing...
do you suppose I would care what the American Bar Association believes on the subject?
No, I dont suppose you would but the interesting point here from my perspective is that I am only reiterating arguments which your countries' own major professional association for legal services have raised.
In your case, as you disdain lawyers, you probably could not give a monkey's danglers for what they say... I just think it is amusing how their arguments reflect are own. The document will be with you shortly.
As for the beer, if I am ever in Dayton, I will join in a glass of expensive imported european/antipodean/central american or south african beer
[ July 19, 2002, 11:32: Message edited by: Growltigga ]