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Old March 23rd, 2011, 06:08 PM

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Default Re: Modhack Modifier querry

Don,

As to your note regarding
'a L O N G time ago we agreed on 2 for AT rifles',
I'm afraid that this is not consistent with reality - which I thought was a biggie for WinSPWW2 players,
nor is it even consistent with your own guidelines,
nor is it even applied evenly.


1. INCONSISTENCY

Just within the 'spob016.obf', without even looking at other OOBs, there are inconsistencies with the application of your '2 for AT rifles'.
Plus unit inconsistencies.

**Changes noted thusly**

ATR Wpns that have a '2' value.

a) (Wpn#88) 7.92mm PzB 38/39;
{While not conforming to other PzB units, Unit #263 - GebJg PzBuechse, using the Gewehr 33(t) rifle, seems fine due to the potential for mid-range ATR engagements in Mtn areas.}

b) (Wpn #135) PzB 783(r) [14.5mm PTRD-40];
b) (Wpn #136) PzB 784(r) [14.5mm PTRS-41];

Pls adjust the 2 units that use these, Unit #s 604 & 605 respectively, to conform to other PzB units,
**they should use SMG Wpn #216 - MP 722(f) in Slot 2 instead of Kar98 rifle**,
due to the short range nature of ATR engagements.

c) (Wpn #137) 7.92mm PzB M SS 41;

To adjust the applicable Unit, Unit# 603 Pzbuechse SS, to conform to other PzB and SS units,
**it should use Wpn #101 - 7.92 Mkb 42 (H) (that is currently an orphan wpn) in Slot 2
instead of Kar98 rifle**
- due to the short range nature of ATR engagements - and inaccuracy at range,
**plus, have a proper crew size of 3 as SS Hvy wpns often had larger crews and allows for the Hvy Rifle.**

d) similar (Wpn #139) PzB 770(p) [Polish WZ 35 or 35(p)]
{of which 886 Marosczek Bueche WZ 35 were captured, with some 630 issued and used during the French Campaign in May/June 1940, after which most were exported as while more accurate than PzB 38/39 they had an even shorter range which rendered them relatively ineffective (AP Pen <3) beyond 50m vs 300m for PzB 38/39 using WH=1 using WW2_APCALC};

To adjust the applicable Unit, Unit# 601 Pzbuechse, to conform to other PzB units,
**it should use Wpn #152 MP34/I SMG in Slot 2 instead of Kar98 rifle**,
due to the short range nature of ATR engagements.

e) the (Wpn #140) PzB 782(e) [the widely acknowledged as ineffective Boyes ATR - scores of which were captured after Dunkirk,

**and should be renamed the 'PzB Boyes 782e' - see VIP Note at end.]**;

To adjust the applicable Unit, Unit# 607 Pzbuechse, to conform to other PzB units,
**it should use Captured Wpn #MP 749(e) SMG (the Sten?) in Slot 2 instead of Kar98 rifle**,
due to the short range nature of ATR engagements.

e) the also Obsolete (Wpn #142) 13mm Mauser T-Gewhr ATR;
Pre-war does not need the corresponding SMG adjustment as a sort of flux period.

f) and, not an ATR but a light Squeeze-bore ATG, the (Wpn #010) 2.8cm (-2.0cm squeeze-bore) sPzB 41 (listed as sPzB

61, and designed for Paratroops and Gerbirgsjager)

All the above have a '2' value.


g) Yet, the (Wpn #016) 7.92mm EW 141 (for which you have incorrect stats listed, with the exception of any AP
capability, that actually all apply to the developmental Mauser MG 141 - of which only possibly some 20 Maximum were produced and which had No AT capability as it was purely a MG -
AND FOR WHICH I HAVE LISTED BELOW THE CORRECT EW 141 VALUES as USED IN THE REVISED OOB I'M WORKING ON)
{60 EW 141 Manufactured: 5 - 1940, 35 - 1941, 20 - 1942. 40 EW 141 Used in PzKw IC vk601.}

and e) and the also Obsolete (Wpn #90) 13.2mm Mauser ATR
Pre-war does not need the corresponding SMG adjustment as a sort of flux period.

Both units above have a correct '1' WH value. ??


Very confusing to say the least,
and Not at all Consistent with your LONG agreed '2 for AT rifles' value?


2. MOBHACK GUIDELINES

Your 'Warhead Size Chart' clearly states that for Guns '1mm - 19mm = 1',
while 20mm-39mm = 2'.
Meanwhile, the 'ANTI-MATERIAL RIFLES' section properly notes that 'AP ammo will draw down (ie. loose effectiveness) very quickly with range'.
This is clearly reinforced in points 3 & 4 below.
Beyond effective range ATRs were only good against very lightly armoured vehicles or for harrassing fire.

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