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So.. if you're Abysia with a very focused research strategy you could have early Zmeys? With no gear? I'm... not really that impressed.
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Doesn't have to be that heavily focused, and why would you deploy them naked unless it's appropriate to do so. It takes a whole extra 1-2 turns to research construction 2 for some basic gear. |
Const 2 does not get you RoR, iirc. Nor does a research blitz get you the necessary gems to build the gear you need. How many nations can you name that can have 30+f by turn 20 and also enough n and probably e,s to forge the necessary gear to make it really good *while* doing a research rush. And the mages to forge that gear.
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You do realize Zmeys lose to skellie spam without a RoR and some sort of reinvigoration, right?
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Fire shield works pretty well to, but I'm pretty sure you already knew that.
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We were talking about Zmeys, right? Fireshield? (honestly confused, my 1.92 Zmeys don't have that).
Zmey are also weak to archers, especially xbows.
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Being able to pull something awesome out early is the whole point of an early research strategy. I don't think a turn 20 naked zmey is really all that more awesome than kitted Eriu thugs by turn 10...
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I agree that the awe on Sidhe Lords (Was that Eriu as well or just TNN?) was also a ridiculously bad call, but that's not relevant to the discussion at hand.
Also while Zmeys are certainly the most blatant issue at Conjuration 6, I intentionally didn't limit it to them.
I'm starting to think that a big part of llamabeast's problem is the fact that some people are more invested in finding and using the exploits to notch up a win or two than giving him good feedback.
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I wasn't referring to Ri with awe. Vanilla sidhe lords with brand and vine shield.
What else at research level 6 would you like to talk about?
Wendigo? Needs at least 14? turns to mature, 7 if its in battles every turn (although its going to have to piggy back your army for much of those).
Roc? Not a very effective solo thug. I mean, sure, it can raid light PD... but what can't?
Shishi? Honestly not that good and very easy to counter. People had a big hardon for them when they were first released, and now you don't see that many of them - they just don't actually perform against any real opposition. They have one real use - anti-thug/SC against people using demon/undead thugs and SCs.
Krakens? lolz. If you wasted your time beelining enchantment over conjuration underwater, be prepared to lose. (And I don't mean to conjuration UW EDM summons - since i don't think there are any - I mean to Shark Attack, a vanilla spell.)