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Old February 21st, 2012, 05:30 AM

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Aicraft, part II

136 Il-10 - used until 1959 only (now 12/68). According to a Russian book on Il-10 [Aviakollektsya 5/2004], it could carry only 4 rockets (now it has 2x4), but better idea is to arm it with four 132mm RS Rockets (#191 from Russian OOB) instead of RS-82. In addition to 4 rockets, it could carry 2x100 kg bombs or cluster HE or AT bomblets in bomb bays.

RS-132 might replace RS-82 in weapons' file, to save a slot (it would replace RS-82 in Il-10 and Il-2, other a/c shouldn't use it anyway).


137 MiG-19PM - PM was an interceptor, without ground attack capabilities, and even without guns (reportedly it could theoretically use 210mm rockets, but not in Poland).

Could be changed to MiG-19P with two guns 30 mm and 32 x 57mm rockets (4x8). Used from 6/58 until 74.

138 MiG-19PF - name should be changed to MiG-19P (there didn't exist MiG-19PF variant at all). Used from 6/58 until 74. Apart from 2x250 kg bombs it should carry 16 x 57 mm rockets (weapon #190 4x57mm with 4 shots) (if it carried bombs instead of drop tanks, it should as well carry rocket pods on their dedicated points). Radio should be 91 - it was a rare plane, and not a ground attack one.

139 MiG-21bis - used from 3/80 until 1/2004 (1/80-12/98). Better picture of specifically Polish MiG-21bis is 29230 or 29349 (drawing).

140 MiG-21bis - as above. If we want to increase its punch, it can carry 96 rockets 57mm (2x32, 2x16) (now 64) - there might be added third weapon #190 with 8 shots. Radio should be just 90 (92) - it wasn't typical ground attack plane.

There could be created also MiG-21M - as above, used 1970-around 1990, armed with 64 rockets S-5 (it would be transitional in number of rockets between MiG-21PF and bis)

141 MiG-19PF - to be removed - MiG-19s weren't ground attack aicraft and didn't carry parachute bombs.

142 MiG-21bis - as #139. Publications don't mention using parachute bombs as an option in MiG-21 - it is doubtful. It could take 2-4 napalm bombs #221 ZAB-250 instead (even two 500 kg napalm bombs).

143 MiG-21PF - pictures of Polish MiG-21s are 29142 or 29230 (although later version)

144 MiG-21PF - pictures as above. This version could carry only 32 rockets (2x16; now: 64 rockets).

I don't know why MiG-21PF have vision 10, while more modern MiG-21bis have 0.


Other options to add:
- MiG-21M, used 1970-2000, armed with 4 rockets S-24 (weapon 023 from Russian OOB)

- MiG-21M armed with 2 x Kh-66 missiles, used in around 1972-89.
Kh-66 (AS-7) was basically an earlier version of kh-23 Kerry: HE/HEAT warhead 103 kg including 51 kg of explosive (Ch-25 has warhead 108 kg), max range 8-10 km. Accuracy around 50 - it was beam-riding missile. It can replace #206 Kh-23 Kerry (not used in Poland).


145 MiG-23MF - delivered in 6/79, used until 12/99 (now 1/79-1/99). In addition to 2 bombs 500 kg (1000 lb) it can take 2 x 250 kg (max 1600 kg). Better Polish icon is 1927.

BTW: weapon 198 - 1000lb bomb should be renamed to 500kg.

146 MiG-23MF - maximum number of rockets was 128 (4x32), not 160, so it should be given 11, 11, 10 shots. Delivered from 6/79, used until 12/99. Radio should be 91 - it wasn't a numerous plane.

Sukhoi planes will come later.

148 MiG-29 - no standard early MiG-29 can carry air-to-ground missiles. Publications don't mention usage of parachute bombs on Polish MiG-29s. Typical (and only?) anti-ground armament is 4 x 500 kg ordinary bombs or 80 x 80mm rockets.
Used in Poland from 1/89 until 120 (now 1/92-12/114)
It's worth to change pic from generic to Polish 29121 or 29236

307 MiG-23MF - redundant (I can't see any difference but the icon and narrower timespan comparing to #145 unit). To be removed IMO.

308 MiG-23MF - redundant (the same as unit #146, with less rockets).

309 Il-2m3 - it should be armed with two #185 23mm VYa cannons instead of 12.7 mm (standard for late model Il-2). It's worth to change RS-82 rockets to 4 heavier RS-132 (from Soviet oob) and 2x 100 kg bombs.

Other proposed variants:
- 2 x 250kg bombs only

- rockets and AP bomblets (if they are used in the game).

556 MiG-29 - S-13 rockets are not used in Poland. Could be armed with cluster bombs and 2-4 x 240 mm S-24 rockets (weapon #023 from Rus.OOB, quite obsolete though) or 40 x 80mm rockets S-8 (weapon #203).
Used in Poland from 1/89 (now 1/92)
It's worth to change pic from Serbian to Polish 29121 or 29236

557 MiG-29 - usage, picture as above. It isn't clear, if parachute bombs are used on MiG-29s. Could be armed with 4 x 500 kg bombs or 6 x #221 ZAB-250 FAE napalm bombs.

558, 559 MiG-23 - to be removed (I don't know what is their purpose, they sure won't be used in 2015-2020, for MiG-23s were withdrawn in 1999). In addition they have same armament as units 145-146 and 307-308 and icons of Su-22.

Regards
Michal
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