Thread: Polish OOB 5.5
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Old February 24th, 2012, 07:10 PM

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It's only because I saw its picture and read about minelet artillery.

OK, the rest:

Speaking of Mi-24s, more appropriate icon for most of their service is a camouflaged one 3487. Only since several years, refitted helicopters are painted dark green.

Time for Rosomaks:

207 and 681 Rosomak - despite plans, Rosomak turret hasn't been integrated with Spike. Isn't 18+18 ammo for a gun too low number? (it carries 470 rounds; USMC LAV-25 has 30+33 for 25mm gun). It can carry only 8 troops - in any way, not 13 (sections #337 or 338 should fit)

Since 8/2007 Rosomaks (Polish: wolverine) employed in Afghanistan received additional armour plating on hull front and sides and partly on turret sides (photo: http://www.armyrecognition.com/image...O_2008_001.jpg, armour in white: http://www.altair.com.pl/cz-art-814 ). All Rosomaks in the game are uparmoured - in fact only part vehicles should be uparmoured. But I think, that frontal steel armour 12 hull and 9 turret is an overkill - the new armour is meant to be proof against 14.5mm (pen=3), level IV STANAG 4569. And I'm not sure, if Heat armour, especially side one (10, comparing to steel 4) is justified. All uparmoured Rosomaks can't swim.

(Polish chief of staff claimed, that new armour plating is meant also to protect forward portion against RPG-7, but I'm not sure if he knew what he was talking about... Armour 15 shouldn't stop RPG-7 anyway. On the other hand, there were cases, when Rosomaks survived RPG shots - without closer details, where and if they were penetrating).

So, 207 and 681 should be two units:
- Rosomak with lighter armour (typical for wheeled APC of that class, like LAV-25 or Pandur? - some 4/3/2), available 1/105-120.
- Rosomak M1, with heavy armour (but maybe not that heavy), available from 8/07, without swimming ability.

All standard Rosomaks are plain green 3541, on all operation theatres (maybe apart from a winter one) - they aren't used in a desert. Rosomaks M1, used in Afghanistan, should be also green until end of 2009 - only then the main staff allowed to paint them sand Brown and green camo 3543 isn't used.

From around 7/10 there was a new model introduced, with Qinetiq RPGnet side and rear screens (according to http://gdziewojsko.wordpress.com/woz...e/kto-rosomak/ , named Rosomak M1M) http://www.altair.com.pl/start-4555


208 Rosomak 1 - in fact, Rosomak 1 APC program was abandoned (after several years of trials different MG-armed unmanned turrets). But two models of a simple protected ring weapon mounting (with open roof), were developed instead. They have no special FC, nor RF, nor stabilizer. This unit can be changed to Rosomak M3, with heavy ring mounting (OSS-D) and additional armour, used from mid-2008. It should be sand 3569 (or plain green 3567)

It needs date correction of formations using 217 MRV APC class.

672, 673 Rosomak 1 - as above - they can be Rosomak M3 variants, without FC, RF, stabilizer and swimming ability. Armament of 40mm GL is correct (of course, Mk19 one, but this is the only model used).

Also Rosomak M3 from around 7/10 started to be fitted with side screens (assumed designation: Rosomak M3M)


There should be created also a second model of Rosomak, with OSS-M protected ring mounting (unnamed - I suggest Rosomak OSS-M). It should have light armour and swimming ability, used from mid-2008. Icon: plain green 3567. Two units should be created, with 12.7mm NSVT AAMG or 40mm AGL Mk19 (variant with 7.62mm PK can be omitted IMO). It has no SD.


680 Rosomak 2 - planned variant with Spike (and possibly new unmanned turret). It should be available from some 114. Vehicles probably will have no additional armour, but retain swimming ability (rather used for country defence, than for missions). Second unit with additional armour could be created anyway. Icon: 3548 plain green.

835 Rosomak R - 6-wheeled Rosomak is sure not used, most probably abandoned at all.
In formation 342 MRV Rec Sec it can be replaced with normal 30-mm armed Rosomak APC.

Regards
Michal
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