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Old February 25th, 2012, 04:11 PM

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Default Re: Polish OOB 5.5

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400 White Scout Car - PTRD ATR might have been used on some vehicles during the war, but it was withdrawn from the Polish service by 1948 (see #370). Most probable weapon is just one DT AAMG - DShK was quite bulky weapon and it didn't automatically replace .50 Browning on vehicles.

401 BA-64 in 12/54 there were 97 BA-64 in inventory - I doubt if they were withdrawn that month. A weapon had high elevation - #242 AAMG could be more approproiate (for all countries). Most have no radio.
400 White scout car - PTRD definitely wasn't vehicle's armament. I think I've seen one photo of a Soviet vehicle with PTRD, but anyway, it wasn't a fixed weapon, only carried by the crew (most Soviet photos shows original American MGs). It's hard to say, what armament Polish vehicles had. They were given by the Soviets during the war and initially they sure had original .50 and .30 MGs - the question is, whether they were replaced with something more typical before withdrawal. If so, it would rather be DT AAMG only.
There were used few vehicles in Poland after the war (4 are known), and most probably 12/50 is closer to real ending date (now 12/54). Carry capacity should be 106 (108) (enough for a scout section).

401 BA-64 - withdrawn by the end of 1955 (12/54).

397 Mk 1 - pretty OK.

398 SPW 251/10a - I believe, that armament should be DT AAMG only, and it should be renamed to ordinary SdKfz 251/1. There could be few vehicles with tapering bore SpzB captured and used in combat during the war (two are known - although according to newer source, they were SdKfz-250/11). But it is doubtful, if they were used with such unique armament after the war (these two vehicles are known to be used until autumn 1945). Most captured SdKfz-251, used after the war, were sure MG-armed (if they had any fixed weapon at all), especially, that they were used to anti-partisan duties. They were not numerous BTW - probably no more, than dozen. Information on this subject is unfortunately scarce.
They were used used at least until some 1951 (now 12/48) by internal security units (fighting against Ukrainian nationalists). Crew should be 2 and capacity 110 or 111. Better picture (and without German crosses) is 29092.

There's no information how they were named - probably not under German military designation (which might have been not known anyway). IMHO "Hanomag Hkl 6p" name would be probable, from manufacturer's plates.

I think, that this vehicle (along with M2 halftracks, mentioned further), should be classified as halftrack APC rather - new formations of 1 halftrack APC or 2 or 4 APCs should be created, until some 1958 (to be utilized according to player needs).

399 SPW 250/10 - usage of SdKfz 250 post-war isn't known, though it's probable in internal security forces - maybe even until end of 1949-50.
MG armament is more probable, though 37mm gun can't be excluded (there is one wartime photo - 29095 - of such gun-armed vehicle, used by the Poles). Carry capacity should be 104 (106) (enough for a scout section).
IMHO more probable name might be Demag D7p

724 M3A1 - in fact, I can't see substantial differences from 400 White Scout Car. It's the same vehicle - one is redundant.

There should be added instead M2 Halftrack - a limited number used as APC by internal security forces until end of 1950s (some 1958) (along with SU-57 and M17 SP-guns with removed armament). Armament might be DT AAMG.

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Michal
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