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Old July 31st, 2012, 08:29 PM
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Default Re: Change the way ERA/Advanced ERA functions.

Okay as we seem stuck on the T-72BM & I remember there was some talk about it before, it is not just a standard T-72B retro fitted with advanced ERA, that model is already in the game. It had other modifications as well which included additional applique armour, its this additional armour you cant penetrate irrespective of the ERA

Rheinmetal if I remember did manage to get penetrations if it missed the ERA but not at anything like the ranges they were expecting, & not vs a BM varient. Seems the intelligence guys underestimated the effectivness of the armour to.

Go find the tests the US army have said they got it badly wrong, find what range they conducted the firings at. Note they would have been subject to multiple fires & yet the army spokesman is not even claiming one kill, did they ALL hit the ERA or indeed is Russian armour modeled about right.
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immune to the DU (Depleted Uranium) penetrators of the M829A2 APFSDS
In game cant engage at range need to be fairly close
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and a range of standard NATO Anti Tank Guided Missiles
In game normally have no effect with occasional damage or kills

So to me thats pretty much how the USA army admits it was, possibly if anything dare I say it a fraction to easy to kill in the game.

On a side note the Abrams was not designed to combat the T-80, the inteligence service failed to notice it till several years after the Abrams entered service when it caused a minor panic. So it was designed to beat the T-72 & in retrospect they underestimated the enemy.

ERA as it stands works fairly close to as it should perhaps being a bit to effective at close range vs AP ammo. Though at worst this would only perhaps provides lightly armoured vehicles like IFVs with a bit to much protection. Yes it could be improved but on the whole it works as it should.

However the situations you state its the base armour that is preventing the kills not the ERA so your grief is with the level of Russian Armour as portrayed in the game NOT the ERA. This despite the fact it closely matches that of 2 seperate tests by the West not Russian claims.
The hellfire failed as did the mid range shots in the desert because the armour not the ERA defeated the weapon.
The only argunent that had merit possibly was the Bradley that if its lucky might survive one shot from a weapon that perhaps should have killed it.
Think about it in game terms a lot of the time Russian tanks would survive a front hit with or without the ERA, the ERA just saves it if it stops a side or top shot. It also saves it from the front at close range, no need to get fancy it degraded the shot so it can no longer penetrate. Hence the assumption the only real issue is possibly with lightly armoured units occasionally surviving when they shouldnt

Thats it from me unless you can produce hard evidence to the contrary it seems to me the game closely models the facts.
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