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Old August 23rd, 2012, 02:45 AM
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Fallout Re: mI-8 / mI-24 in German Service

I think we're going to have issues with the Mil-24 HIND helos. I don't know where the info came from saying that these helos carried the 122mm rockets but as I've posted previously, these helos didn't have them at least from the Soviet/Russian end. The following is typical of what I found doing a search under "Mil-24 HIND armament" online...
"One remotely controlled YakB-12.7 four-barrel Gatling type 12.7 mm machine gun, with 1,470 rounds, in VSPU-24 undernose turret with field of fire 60° to each side, 20° up, 60° down; gun slaved to KPS-53AV undernose sighting system with reflector sight in front cockpit; four 9M17P Skorpion (AT-2 `Swatter') anti-tank missiles on 2P32M twin rails under end plate pylons at wingtips; four underwing pylons for UB-32 rocket pods (each 32 S-5 type 57 mm rockets), B-8V-20 pods each containing twenty 80 mm S-8 rockets, B-13L pods each containing five 130 mm S-13 rockets, 240 mm S-24B rockets, UPK-23-250 pods each containing a GSh-23L twin-barrel 23 mm gun, GUV pods each containing either one four-barrel 12.7 mm YakB-12.7 machine gun with 750 rounds and two four-barrel 7.62 mm 9-A-622 machine guns with total 1,100 rds or an AGS-17 Plamia 30 mm grenade launcher with 300 grenades, up to 1,500 kg (3,300 lb) of conventional bombs, mine dispensers, night flares or other stores. R-60 (AA-8 `Aphid'), R-73 (AA-11 `Archer') and Igla air-to-air missiles fitted experimentally. Helicopter can be landed to install reload weapons carried in cabin. PKV reflector gunsight for pilot. Provisions for firing AKMS guns from cabin windows."
East Germany is showing 122mm rockets (Units 922 & 923.) and I don't know what other countries also are so equipped...yet.
Also several East German units will need to be deleted to include all MiG-29A and MiG-29M (Which as now known they never had.) which like the MiG-29M includes the Mil-24W HIND. Below is the response I recieved concerning the East German use of the MiG-29A as a possible SEAD unit as posted in the previous post as well.
Note: A little tone change which is my fault as I should've indicated "configurations offered" or some such as my wording caused the response.

"Pat,

What you say here about four East German MiG 29s being used for SEAD doesn't sound reasonable. As an air superiority aircraft designed for air defence why would the East Germans use four for SEAD purposes? That role would be better suited to a unit armed with the SU 25 and probably assigned to a Soviet unit rather than divert four MiG 29s from their basic role. Just my thoughts.

Regards,

Gordon"

And another response I just got from "RAMJET"/Steve LSK/LV(DDR)/LUFTWAFFE MiG-29A pilot...

"The LSK/LV as well as the Luftwaffe used the MiG-29 only as a fighter aircraft. There were some trials in the air-to-ground role with unguided rockets in the DDR times if I remember right, but these were just trials."

If you again wish to follow along...
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=354756&page=7

Bottom-line...
GERMANY OOB... DELETE UNITS 307 MiG-29 & 327 Mi-8T
East Germany OOB... DELETE UNITS 580, 910 & 911 MiG-29M & 125/927 Mi-24W HIND (Never had either in service.) MODIFY 922/923 HINDs
with either the 57mm, 80mm, 130mm or 240mm rockets vice the
122mm rockets.

Now to fix the confusion "next door" I caused. One OOB at a time next the MiG-23, if they feel like it.

Regards,
Pat

Forgot to add the only modifiers to Soviet/Russian HIND weapons I'm aware of are from the Israeli version (Name escapes me now.) and the SAF SUPER HIND MKs of which their were two to three of.

Last edited by FASTBOAT TOUGH; August 23rd, 2012 at 02:56 AM.. Reason: ADDED FYI.
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