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Originally Posted by DRG
Please compare USA weapon #75 and Russian weapon #111 then look at the "CM" units that use them...
USA Unit #524
Russian Unit #806
..... and then explain to me how they differ as you discribe
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There IS NO DIFFERENCE in the way they are set up. Both have AP and HEAT values.
Don
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Please, compare :
- USA # 042 - M109 Paladin - weapon = 104 (155mm M284) - ap pen = 60, ap kill 48,
HEAT = 0
- USA # 678 - M109 PIN ... - weapon = 104 (155mm M284) - ap pen = 60, ap kill 48,
HEAT = 0
- GER # 106 - PzH2000 .... - weapon = 112 (155mm FH155)- ap pen = 60, ap kill 48,
HEAT = 0
- RUS # 506 - MSTA ....... - weapon = 228 (152mm 2A65) - ap pen = 60, ap kill 48,
HEAT = 60
- RUS # 600 - MSTA+ ...... - weapon = 228 (152mm 2A65) - ap pen = 60, ap kill 48,
HEAT = 60
and all the system that uses these weapons (and/or similars)
the difference are, as said and as you can easily see, in the HEAT values and in the consequences.
Please, test all these vs top-covered-ERA-AFVs (like Merkava Mk4) : for guns with HEAT value, you will have in the most cases the message : "ERA defeats HEAT"; for guns without HEAT you will have no ERA reactions and quite always a penetration.
IMHO, it's unbalanced, because, as I said
- or the sub-munis are DPICM (very small penetration capability, not in the range of 60cm)
- or the are SFW-Sadarm-like, but with HEAT-like-effects, that could be defeats by ERA.
Moreover, it seems (to me) very strange that MLR in the class 220-300mm (MLRS, Uragan, Smerch) have sub-munis with AT capability incredibly lower than those of the 155mm CMs shells.
regards