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Old July 20th, 2013, 06:33 PM

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Default Re: German 15cm sIG and the various units using it

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Originally Posted by BigDuke66 View Post
2. The first SP version the "sIG I B"(ID 065 & ID 865) were also called "Sturmpanzer I Bison" maybe a thing to add, besides that it only carried 3 rounds of ammo in the vehicle as no more could be stored but more ammo was transported in a halftrack(Sd.Kfz. 10) by another 2 crew members. The crew on the sIG IB itself was 3 men large.
3. The "sIG33 PzII"(ID 979) was also called "Sturmpanzer II Bison".
Jentz doesn't confirm name Sturmpanzer for anything except Sturmpanzer IV (also called just "Sturmpanzer") and doesn't confirm a name Bison for these vehicles. Besides, they were not fit for "Sturm" due to weak armour.
Official name for the first vehicle was "15cm sIG auf PzKpfw I Ausf B" (or similar variations). I would suggest name "15cm sIG /Pz IB" or "sIG 33 /Pz IB".
It's true with 3 rounds, but the crew was 4 (OK).

Name "sIG33 PzII" is OK (although it would be better "sIG 33 Pz II" or "sIG.33 Pz.II" with spaces or points). Jentz in newer book calls it "15cm sIG.33B Sfl" however.

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Originally Posted by BigDuke66 View Post
4. The naming for the Grille and its variants irritates a bit, while the first version is called "sIG38(t) Grille"(ID 066), the 2nd version is called "sIG38/1 (t)"(ID 976) and the 3rd version "sIG38/2 (t)"(ID 968).
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As there is no other 15cm sIG version used in the game I suggest to clear this a bit by using:
"sIG33 Grille H" for ID 066.
"sIG33 Grille K" for ID 976. Some use M here because the chassis version used was based on the PzKw 38 K but was designated as Geschützwagen M so M could also be used.
"sIG33 Hetzer" for ID 968.
Simply to point out that this is still the sIG33 but on different chassis so the player can expect the same weapon performance but a different unit performance.
I agree, that it's worth to introduce name Grille. Jentz Panzer Tracts recognizes old (66) and new model (976) as "Gw 38 fur sIG33/1" and "Gw 38M fur sIG33/2" respectively, or just "Grille" and "Grille ausf K".

As for 968 sIG38/2 (t) - apparently only one experimantal vehicle was produced...

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Originally Posted by BigDuke66 View Post
5. Entry date for the second Grille version(ID 976) should be changed, production did start in November 43 with first vehicles ready in December 43, May 43 seem way too early.
Right.

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Michal
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