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Default Re: Polish OOB2 corrections/suggestions (v.6)

400 37mm AT-Gun - I've just acquired a new source, which states, that it was actually deployed to units from 1/37.
A limber had 80 rounds: 16 HE and 64 AP.


tankettes:
425 TK-3 - this tankette is begging for a new picture, instead of SP-1 vintage caricature I'll attach some in next posts.
In the future, it is worth to create a camouflaged icon replacing a green one (like 2787 - TKS and 2791 - TKS 20mm) - they were all camouflaged.
The first batch was delivered in 4/32 (now 9/31) (not counting pre-series of ordinary steel) [Magnuski]

426 TKS - picture as above (besides, it shows something more similar to TK-3)
Armament should be 229 wz.25 MG, like TK-3.

BTW: I don't want to overturn all rules, but why BMG has a range of only 10, if it was an ordinary MMG, and its coaxial version has a range of 24?... The tankettes are therefore handicapped in the game (apart from the British Carden-Loyd, which uses CMG)

TK-3 should have FC 0 and RF 0 (like other nations' tankettes), while TKS should have FC=1 (scope sight).

There should be added also Carden-Loyd VI tankette, like British 856, but probably armed with 222 wz.30 CMG [Magnuski], used in 1/30 to some 33.

Formations:
403 Recce Tank Trp (could be renamed Plt, to be more consistent with Polish nomenclature) - earliest unit should be Carden-Loyd from 1/30
It should be available until 10/39 - only few troops received gun-armed TKS

404 Recce Tank Sqdn - last date as above. First date should be somewhat later - around 1/33 will be better (now 1/35) (they didn't exist during a peacetime, and were to be organized during mobilization)

405 Recce Tank Trp - there should be 2 tankettes with a gun. I suggest to rename it "Recce Tank Plt+" or something like that.

406 Recce Tank Sqdn - a commander had ordinary MG-armed tankette (there were only plans to give him gun-armed one). I suggest to rename it "Recce Tank Sqd+" or something like that.

408 Armoured Bn HQ - it should be used until 10/39 (as formation 403)
A name should be just "Armoured Bn", or, preferably "Armoured Bat." or "Batt." to make it more consistent with Polish abbreviation (bat.). They were recce units of Cavalry Brigades, not HQ.
According to this page: http://wp39.struktury.net/dywizjon-p...dywizjonu.html there might be added a car carrying an AAMG, if you think it's a good idea.

409 Armoured Bn HQ - as above, apart from date. A tankette should be MG-armed. Name could be changed to "Armoured Bat.+" etc.


427 TKS.m - such designation was not used. I suggest "TKS nkm" or "TKS /nkm" (nkm = Heaviest MG).

428 C7P tractor - it had no radio


post-1940 armoured cars
429 Mrmn-Hrngtn IV - a picture shows Humber. They were however used only from 5/45 until 10/45 for training (now 1/43-3/44) [Magnuski]. Radio should be x1.

430 Mrmn-Hrngtn II - used from 5/42 until about 10/43 (now 3/41-3/42).
It would be good to fit it with Mk.II picture - now it has Mk.III (I've proposed one in the British oob).
Maybe a more natural name would be Marmon-Herr, or M-H ?

They were the first armoured cars used by the Polish after 1939 - it would need changes in formation 287.

431 Humber Mk.III - used only for training in 6/42-10/43. Radio should be x1. Picture is Mk.IV (I've proposed a picture in the British oob)

432 Humber Mk.I - not used by the Polish.
Could be replaced with Fox Mk.I (Canadian-built) - used from some 10/43 until some 12/45, also in combat.
The same specifications, but armed with 0.50 Browning and 0.30 Browning, radio=71, crew=4.

433 Scout Mk.II - it should be Humber Scout II. Used from around 6/44 only (now 8/40).

434 Scout Mk.I - as above, used from around 12/43 (now 7/40 - a production started in 1943). In 380-381 unit in the British oob I wrote, that there's no information, that I and II differed in armour - only mechanical changes are mentioned. But I've found no precise info on their armour (they say "max 14 mm" for all variants).

435 Ironside Mk.II [scout veh] - used by the Polish in a small quantity - according to Magnuski, only "towards the end of the war" (no precise info when), and rather they weren't used in combat. It isn't clear, if Mk.II was used at all.
Otherwise, comments as for the British oob (icon, picture etc).

436 Ironside Mk.I [scout veh] - rather certainly didn't used by the Polish.
Otherwise, comments as for the British oob.

437 Mrmn-Hrngtn III - used from 5/43 until some 10/43 for training

From armoured cars, there could be eventually added:
- Beaverette IV used from some 1/41 until some 1943 for training only (#373 in the British oob) [class scout veh?],.
- Morris LRC - suggested to be added to the British oob, used from 11/42

Michal
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