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Default Re: EU v NATO or instead of NATO

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Originally Posted by IronDuke99 View Post
Now some people within the European Union want it to become a State. States have to have military forces.
I think you may be confusing state/nation, soverign state, federation of states... Some folk want Europe to become a Federation.

Many states dont have any military force (eg Iceland, Costa Rica, Mauritious, individual US states, etc) and some Federations keep the constituent states' militaries.

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Firstly the EU goes full ahead for a EU military, the US accelerates its move of the centre of gravity of its forces from Europe to the Pacific, and so the EU faces the Russians basically minus the US (and Canada) ie, at about, at best, 25% of current NATO forces.

The other scenario would be UK leaves the EU, but the EU continues to push the Russians, as it has been doing for some time and a highly alarmed USA, UK and, perhaps, Canada decide this dangerous nonsense must stop and so France, Germany and whatever other EU nations they can browbeat into foolishly supporting them face US and UK forces, possibly supported by Canada. Meanwhile off on the sidelines Russia, and indeed China, look on with great interest.
The first scenario is covered by any "what if" Russia Vs anybody but the USA...
The second would never happen! No one would go to war with ALLIES because they may not have the same political view or way of dealing with the percieved threat of Russia!
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