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Old August 23rd, 2016, 08:08 PM

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Default Re: Netherlands OOB28 v.9

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Originally Posted by DRG View Post
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.......... after one hour of war none of the 17 Douglas planes was operational anymore
Yeah..... " great " addition.........
It's not that they were wasted, but that they were fine attack aircraft, and could have been useful in that role

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AT guns:

12 20mm AT-Gun - I couldn't find info, that Dutch Army had 20 mm AT guns - all pages, especially http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...fantry-weapons write only about 47mm and obsolete 6 veld.

15 37mm AT-Gun - according to a book "Holland - Paraat!", the Dutch bought only one Pak-35/36 (and sure not in 1930), and it lost in competition to 47mm Bohler. Same for unit 262.

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Flak:

19 40mm Bofors AA - acquired only in summer 1939 (now 1/30) - http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...ences-may-1940.

260 20mm AA-Gun - photo is German Flak, not Oerlikon (could be 17041, or here are some Dutch ones:
http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?p...ikon-2-tl-no-1 )
Delivered only from 4/39 according to that page. Would need a change in formations.

From 12/39 (?) there were used also 20mm Scotti-Isotta Fraschini 20/70, but the difference might be too negligible to be worth http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?p...hini-2-tl-no-2

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MGs and infantry weapons:


25 M.18 No.1 HMGs - 7.7 M.18 No.1 (original Vickers) were still in use in 5/40 (now 12/35) - http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...ht-machineguns
Same for 345 M.18 No.1 HMG


275 M.18 No.1 AAMGs - I suggest to change it to M.25 AAMGs or Spandau AAMGs, which was a basic Dutch AAMG (ex-German Maxim MG.08):
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...ht-machineguns
http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?p...hwarzlose-m-08

Weapon 149 might be just renamed to 7.9mm M.25 AAMG

Photo is Norwegian - here are some http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=483288&page=3 or I'll attach better ones.


401,412 MI M.23 HMG - Dutch pages don't mention such MG, and a photo is Swedish Colt
I think it should be changed to standard M.08 Schwarzlose
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...ht-machineguns
http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?p...hwarzlose-m-08


28 Infantry Squad - since this is a LMG Section, maybe a better photo will be with Lewis LMG? - could be 32513 (if they are Dutch), or here is a nice photo:
http://www.quartermastersection.com/.../1061/M20Lewis
Great photos of Lewis alone are also here: http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?p...eur-lewis-m-20


411 Madsen LMG
- photo is Lewis. Photos of Dutch Madsens are here:
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attach...leur-groep.jpg (from
http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/world-...n-book-522673/ )
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/vin...he-long-grass/

414 Johnson LMG - photo is Lewis. According however to Polish Wikipedia (basing upon article in StrzaƂ 2/2005), only 4024 self-loading rifles Johnston were delivered to KNIL, but none of ordered LMGs, which were taken over by USMC - see also
http://world.guns.ru/machine/usa/joh...1-m1944-e.html

34 Tankbuks ATR - a lack of any mention about AT riles on pages devoted to 1940 campaign, especially
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...fantry-weapons suggests, that it was used by KNIL only (we have already KNIL unit 407)


234 Marksman - a photo is rather Spanish (and not too good for a single marksman). A better one for Dutch marksman is 27015.
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