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Old October 16th, 2019, 01:19 AM
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Fallout Re: MBT's

I see I'll have to go about this in a different manner.

First off I'm fully aware that the TYPE-15/ZQT-15 is not in the OOB. This is why I put my 7 points/issues out there for it's later submission. Though I did see the "naming error" for them in the OOB. And 3/4 of those points would still be valid based on what I saw.

Secondly my search was first related to finding out whether or not both or either of these following where in the OOB the TYPE-96A/ZTZ-96A and TYPE-96B/ZTZ-96B. They were not and as I indicated would need to be addressed.

Thirdly during the my search for the above, is when I noticed that in the Chinese OOB we have tanks listed as TYPE or ZTZ followed by their number and letter designation. As soon as you open the OOB you can't miss this. They should all be TYPE whatever as explained in more detail below. I'm NOT suggesting this be changed, but it would be more accurate.

So my concern was whether or not there was a possibility of duplicates in the OOB because of the TYPE and ZTZ designations being "criss- crossed" for the same tank.

By example is there both a ZTZ-99A and a TYPE-99A in the OOB?

If so, for "the sake of argument" there was one, it would 1) Be confusing to a player and if you will the AI as these both would be the same tank! 2. Simply a duplicate to be removed.

Chinese designations goes as follows...
TYPE = A specific weapon/model from a tank down to even personal weapons in the case of the Chinese. I.E. TYPE-99A MBT.

ZTZ/ZQT/PHZ/VT = Designate the weapon system as a whole (And there are several more but, these are the most important to us.) so ZTZ = Med./Heavy Tanks/ZQT = Light Tanks/PLZ = Self Propelled Artillery/VT = Export armor.

PLA uses TYPE and I strongly suspect the ZTZ designation is more a industry (Including on some defense sites in reporting initially.) one for development through acceptance by MND and the PLA.

Instead of ZTZ, Russia uses "OBJECT ###" before it gets it's T-## designator once accepted.

In the three refs. from the "Diplomat" in my last post, TYPE always was ahead of ZTZ/or ZQT or whatever.
In the following ref(s) you'll see the Chinese tanks identified as TYPE-## and VT/MBT-3000 (No longer called this it is just VT-4 now.) for export.
http://www.military-today.com/tanks.htm
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/modern/China.php
https://www.militaryfactory.com/armo...tary-tanks.asp
https://armyrecognition.com/china_ch..._11408171.html
https://www.defencetalk.com/al-khali...-market-16471/


Japan and Taiwan do the same thing by TYPE.

Hopefully I've clarified my concerns from my last post.

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Pat
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