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Fallout Re: Apache helicopter countermeasure

I'm going to "pick up the baton and run with it" concerning the RPG versus the helicopter.

This is not an invitation to advocate we do this in the game for anyone, but ONLY to demonstrate how "CHANCE" intervenes in military operations and even in this game as has been discussed MANY TIMES over the years.

I will use three case studies by way of example and provide the known culprit for at least two of those operations and the likely one for the first one mostly due to the date of the incident.

The "Culprit":
http://www.military-today.com/firearms/rpg_7.htm

"BLACK HAWK Down
" with two shootdowns by RPG's. This is probably more personal to me as I was serving at this time and was involved in the "ratcheting up" as events progressed in planning.
https://www.shadowspear.com/2009/04/...othic-serpent/
:/https/www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/10/02/the-battle-of-mogadishu-25-years-later-how-the-fateful-fight-changed-combat-operations/
https://history.army.mil/news/2015/150400a_asom.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMMGQxEqpOI

Operation Red Wing
: One shootdown by RPG-7 confirmed. Simply not how I wanted to remember my 49th Birthday and that it was the worst day for Naval Special Warfare (NSW) personnel since D-Day. This of course lead to the book and movie "Lone Survivor". If you know the story sometimes not all the "bad guys" are bad guys.
https://special-ops.org/operation-re...us-navy-seals/

Extortion 17
: One shootdown by 3 RPG-7's confirmed. 1st shot-missed./2nd shot-kill shot/3rd-not mentioned. Unfortunately the "Sports World" isn't the only place "records are broken" as what happened to Extortion 17, would eclipse "Operation Red Wing" for the NSW Community. It's still their worst to date.
https://www.history.com/news/the-cos...am-six-history
https://www.newsweek.com/extortion-1...s-names-657841


Maybe we should be thankful we can't use them that way. But the common theme here as unfortunate as it is, they where troop transport helos and in the case of Operation Red Wing outran their APACHE escorts in the attempt to save the team on the ground.

Some people run to the fire and others wait for the fire trucks.

I never considered doing that with artillery but then neither has the AI in my experience.

Player vs. Player that might have some advantages there.

Regards,
Pat
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