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Light tanks where we were, where we thought we were going and where we think the future lies. Part I

Where we were...
Our last operational "light tank" (Of which we did some work on a few years ago, was corrected and I believe we added one based on feedback.) was the M551 Sheridan you loved it or hated it, but, it ended up having a long service life despite it's many faults.
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/m551_sheridan.htm

Where we thought we were going...

A little on the heavy side for a light tank (41T) it's not out of line for that class even by todays standards. The JAGUAR was a joint project between U.S. and China, when the U.S. saw China's role as a "buffer state" against the Soviet Union. It "melded" the technologies of all 3 nations and successfully "pulled it off" until the Cold War ended and the market was "over run" with high quality cheaper MBT options. This was for it's time a very advanced tank whose armor is still classified and never been released.
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/jaguar.htm

The next was a private venture from Cadillac Gage intended for the export market. However articles started to appear that the U.S. Army was looking at the STINGRAY as a possible replacement to SHERIDAN under the AGS Program. It was dropped. Thailand is currently the only operator of this tank. We also updated this tank and after presenting enough at least some anecdotal and other evidence, we also decided to enter the STINGRAY II as well for a variety of reasons you can research in this thread and Patch one.
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/...light_tank.htm

The following two also competed in the U.S. Army AGS Program. I'll start with the Expeditionary Tank Prototype with an Electronics Pkg. that was considered one of the most advanced in the world on a tank at that time. Though it would lose in the final pairing, it still lives on today as the turret used on the M1128 Stryker MGS.
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/...onary_tank.htm


Who won the AGS competition, one of the most controversial tanks I ever heard about as it was in the news quite a bit at the time. The United Defense (Later FMC) tank CCV-L/then XM8 and finally the M8 BUFORD. Though the winner, it would ultimately be a loser as it's two predecessors were when Congress told the Army to cancel the AGS Program for a variety of budget and design issues associated in the costs and development in trying to launch a tank program. What is amazing is this tank is still viable in todays conflict environments and is still being offered. It had so pluses and minuses as taken from the below ref.
On the plus side:
1) M8 Buford uses combined aluminum and steel armor. Modular titanium add-on armor, including ERA packages can be added if necessary.

2) A fully-stabilized M68A1 105 mm rifled gun, or a Rheinmetall XM35 gun, fitted with an autoloader and fire control system. Fire control system is similar to that, used on the M1A2 Abrams main battle tank. Autoloader holds 19 to 21 rounds and provides a maximum rate of fire in 12 rounds per minute. Other projectiles are stowed near the driver. Gun can be loaded manually in case of emergency.

3) The M8 Buford can be airdropped from a C-130 transport aircraft or larger. The C-130 can carry one vehicle, while the C-141 (Mine-Now retired.), C-17 and C-5 can carry two, three and five respectively.

On the minus side:

1) The M8 Buford is a relatively thin-skinned vehicle, designed to support infantry from covered position and to fight in areas where it is not going to run into main battle tanks.

2) During the trials it appeared that the ammunition compartment failed to contain the reaction of the ammunition, when hit by anti-tank weapons.

Now what? Well part of that future still lies with this tank, however in an improved version which I hope to update with as a Part II. But before I go I'll leave you with something I didn't know and a "glimpse into the future" in order...

A similar design was the British VFM 5 light tank, developed by Vickers. It was based on the XM8. The VFM 5 was a simplified alternative of the XM8, intended for export customers. However it received no production orders.
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/vfm_5.htm

In 2015 an updated version of the M8 was revealed by BAE Systems. This light tank is still being proposed for various customers.
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/m8_buford.htm

And we now know it's been updated again for the current Army Light Tank competition. All I have on that by later tonight hopefully. And I have a lot.

Have a good whatever today and a great weekend!

Regards,
Pat
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