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Old January 18th, 2021, 12:08 AM
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Fallout Re: MBT's

Alright I need to get the ball rolling on this ASAP based on the following couple of refs.

Russia (Like the rest of the World.) is getting hit hard from leaked and other sources with COVID-19, apparently their vaccine isn't proving to be as affective as advertised by the government which, here it is known to be one of the top cyber hack issues from the breach we suffered, that they were trying to get (Vaccine Data) as was disclosed last last month early.

Economy still wrecked from the above and from the "Oil War" they were in for many months with Saudi Arabia until a "truce" of sorts was agreed to about the November time frame. If you wondered why your gas was so cheap for about 6-8 months.

I noticed the words "full rate production" and no time frame for when this year it would start production were given either in the first ref.

Also for that scenario Russia vs. Ukraine 2022, I offer the following as well from ref 1...
"The T-14 Armata is the next generation of MBT that will enter into service (We know that but, when?) with the Russian army. according to Russian military sources, the first batch of 100 T-14 (These are the Prototype and Test Beds.) tanks could be delivered and deployed with the 2nd Guards Tamanskaya Motor Rifle Division in 2021."

1. Forget the 200 I thought possible by end of 2022.

2. They might not make it at all by then beyond those 100. If they get to the 2nd Guards.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._t-15_ifv.html


This above mentions the fact they're going to attempt this while the "trials" are still ongoing, so think about this, they want to build the the T-14/T-15 while their still trying to figure out how to fix them in the first place!?! They need to consult with Turkey and India and ask them how that worked with the ALTAY and ARJUN. It didn't, it delayed one by a couple of years and the other is still "scratching their heads" as well.

So by extension and as I've posted on regularly over the years, they to are suffering from the same technical issues that Turkey is having with the ALTAY, further compounded by problems revolving around certain electronic packages to include but not limited to the FCS.

You must remember the following:
1. This is Russia first from the ground-up tank design in decades. They take time even the ABRAMS and LEOPARDS took years and years to from design to FOC.

So what is Russia doing in the meantime? Well here's what the Russian Army is getting in 2021 along with what they got in 2019/2020 first...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/nove...to_troops.html
(I have to reverify my submission on the T-90M as UNIT 059 has START of JUN 2020.)
https://www.armyrecognition.com/nove...bvm_tanks.html
(T-80BMV in the North.)
https://www.armyrecognition.com/dece...-80_tanks.html
(We're good here, these for the Eastern District for China to ponder.)
https://www.armyrecognition.com/apri..._vehicles.html
(We're GOOD on the T-90M, I used this for the tank as submitted I believe, BUT kept it for the IFV. Now in my APC/IFV folder.)
https://www.armyrecognition.com/may_...s_in_2020.html
(This fits our "hybrid" UNIT 697, I think we're good here, as you read further down the article.)

And finally for 2021...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...s_in_2021.html
(No T-14/T-15.)


What I think will be needed is to change the T-15 UNIT 346 START to JUN 2022 (Matches current T-14 date.) vice JUN 2021. These 2 armor units are bound together at least mechanically and by some other subsystems.

Now you folks know how long I keep my "poop", though now I have deleted the GP News stuff.

How I love "house keeping"!?!

Regards,
Pat
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