Any game that doesn't end in a good war is dull dull dull. Does anyone really enjoy the game when they are surronded by allies and all their planets are full and they are sitting there watching their atmospheric converters being built? unmodded SE4 just doesn't have the depth or micromanagement level to make an totally peacfull game fun. (and that's they way it should be
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As far as playing to win or just for fun. They are the same thing. Doesn't mean you have to win to enjoy the game but does anyone seriously play and not try to win?