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Old March 12th, 2023, 08:37 AM
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Exclamation Re: US OOB 12 corrections/suggestions (v.6)

CONGRATULATIONS!... you opened Pandora's box




I did add a Hvy Co, that's easily enough done ( OR UNDONE ) and you could have easily done it yourself.....the question is, even though the numbers may have supported companies were they ever actually organized into companies and that, IIRC is why we haven't had a US Hvy tank co in SPww2 for a quarter century. PERSONALLY, I am not convinced that they were ever used as complete companies during the war..... maybe after May 1945.... maybe so when ( if ) a Hvy co starts depends on further info

Just having enough " on hand" does not mean Coys existed

SO........... prove they were actually organized into Companies and I'll leave the company in otherwise I won't. They MAY have been organized into Coys Post war and if they did in 1946 then there is a justifiable reason to add it up to the end of 1946.

The info I found suggests they were attached in ones and twos ( and why now a single Hvy Tank can be bought.....) to "normal" companies and if so that is a legitimate formation for the game but I need details.

For the past quarter century, we have left that up to the player to substitute a platoon of Mediums for a platoon or section of Hvys and for 25 years nobody has pointed out we are missing Hvy tank coys and for 25 years that worked as the info we had then ( and it seems now as well ) supported

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/ar...late-for-wwii/


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Between December 1944 and March 1945, a total of 436 units were produced with over 2,000 made by the end of 1945. In March 1945, the tank entered combat in Europe redesignated the M26 Pershing.........it was not until the end of the year that the first batch of T26E3 tanks, the first 40 off the production line, were ready to be committed to combat. Of these, 20 were immediately shipped overseas and the others moved to Fort Knox, Kentucky, to undergo extensive field testing. The new tanks arrived at the port of Antwerp, Belgium, in January 1945, and were the only Pershings in the European Theater. The next shipment was not expected until April.............it was decided to get the new tanks into action as soon as possible. To that end, all 20 Pershings were assigned to the U.S. 1st Army and divided equally between the 3rd and 9th Armored Divisions. On February 17 the tanks were transported to an instruction facility near Aachen, Germany. By the 23rd, training for tank crews and maintenance personnel had been completed.

NOW.... what this also claims is relevant


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........After the fight at Paderborn, Task Force Welborn sped on to the Weser River, reaching it on April 7. Three days later the Sherman was disabled by panzerfaust fire in the village of Espchenrode near the Harz Mountains. That afternoon they received a replacement tank, a Super Pershing (T26E4)..........which had been in action before, and was one of only two deployed to Europe during World War II[/b]. Additional armor protection had been installed, and it was equipped with a new long-barreled T15E1 90mm gun that was designed to outperform the high-velocity 88mm cannon found on the German Tiger I and King Tiger.
IF that is indeed the case then the T26E4 we have starting Dec 1945 needs to start 4/45 ( as a side note it was a German ambush of TF Welborn in late March that lead to the death of General Rose.)

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By mid-April 1945, a total of 185 new Pershings had arrived in the European Theater. Of these, 110 served with the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 9th, and 11th Armored Divisions by war’s end. There were 310 M26 tanks in theater on May 8, 1945 (VE-Day), of which 200 were actually delivered for frontline service.
110 active vehicles divided by 5 divisions = 22 which IS enough to make up a company but it APPEARS they were spread out and assigned to units when replacements were needed. I have yet to find any mention of company sized formations during WW2........ they MAY have been after May 1945....... Let us know what you find out





Further http://panzerserra.blogspot.com/2012...-pershing.html

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The T15E1 gun was 73 calibers in length and had a much longer high capacity chamber. This gave it a muzzle velocity of 1,140 m/s with the T30E16 APCR shot and could penetrate the Panther's frontal armor at up to 2,400 m. This model used a single piece 1,300mm long ammunition and was the only Super Pershing sent to Europe. After the tank arrived in Europe, maintenance units in the Third Armor Division added extra armor to the front of the tank. The Pershing's gun mantlet was a known weak point in the armor, and so an 80mm piece from a Panther tank was added in front of the mantlet and another Panther´s scrap armour was added in the front of the Pershing´s hull.

That supports the info that "This machine, which had been in action before, ............ Additional armor protection had been installed"

so TWO sources back up that there was a super Pershing that saw combat in the ETO. Revised Icon now completed and entered









and finally............

https://www.militaryfactory.com/armo...hp?armor_id=64

says only aout 20 M26's ever saw combat with over 100 held back and it also mentions the Super Pershing saw combat so if nothing else we have an adjustment to the Super Pershings start date and the addition of a single Hvy tank formation when in the past they could only be bought 2 and 4 so show me info that there were indeed Pershing companies and I'll leave the coy I created in
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