I don't think you need to change anything on the
T-80BVM.
Patch Post Thread PAGE 30/POST 298/SCROLL DOWN PAGE 4/T-80BVM UNIT 046/ These tanks per the refs below this entry represented the first
31 Production Models
w/o AREANA due to costs at the time, which is why it was equipped with
VIRSS.
T-80BVM UNIT 046/From ref 1...
"However in
2017 Russian MoD signed a contract to refurbish and upgrade a total of
62 T-80BV tanks to the
T-80BVM standard in order to keep them in operational service.
In
2018 a first batch of
31 T-80BV tanks was upgraded to the
T-80BVM standard. These operational tanks were first publicly revealed during a military parade in 2018. However these initial tanks
lacked some features of the
T-80BVM demonstrator, that was revealed in
2017. Upgrade of the
T-80BV tanks to the
T-80BVM standard continued in
2019 when
another 31 tanks were delivered (So they are saying
62 tanks built with VIRSS.).
In
2020 a contract was
signed to upgrade another
50+ T-80BV tanks to the
new standard." (
TASS ref below said
2019 on the Contract.) ("
new standard" would mean
UNIT 048 with
ARENA.)
Ref. 2... Under
DESIGN.
"Some elements of the
T-80BVM prototype are missing (Refers to the
2017 demonstrator as noted elsewhere.), but
could be added at a later stage. These include remote weapon system and
active and passive protection systems." (This refers to the original
31 or as the
the above suggests a total of
62.)
Ref. 2... Under
PROTECTION.
"There are reports that
Arena-M active protection system is to
be fitted in the near future (UNIT 048) ."
T-80BVM UNIT 048/The funding would become available in
2019 that allowed the Russian to fulfill the expectations from the
2017 Demonstrator built with it. They were added in
late 2019 through at least
2020. My ref from submission...
https://tass.com/defense/1098733?utm...apnelgames.com
Now let's take it apart...
Date:
12 DEC 2019, 08:08
Title: "Defense contractor completes delivery of upgraded T-80BVM tanks to Russian troops"
As it relates to
UNIT 046 with
VIRSS not upgraded.
Para 2: "The
upgrade allows enhancing the vehicle’s basic combat properties: its firepower,
defense capability, mobility and crew’s control." Continues.
Last Para: "The
T-80BVM is an upgraded version of the T-80BM tank. It features an improved 125mm cannon and an enhanced 1,250 hp gas turbine engine. A multi-channel gunner sight, a mechanic-driver’s vision device and an armament stabilizer are also mounted on the upgraded tank. The combat vehicle is reinforced with slat armor
and a modular active protection system."
Other than I submitted:
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/t80/
Date: March 25, 2022
Last Para: T-80BVM
The advanced T-80BVM version features 125mm cannons and an improved 1,250hp gas turbine engine. Reinforced with slat armour
and a modular active protection system, the upgraded tank is mounted with a multi-channel gunner sight, a vision device for the mechanic driver, and an armament stabiliser.
Then we have a
math problem. First 31 built
without AREANA but
equipped with VIRSS.
Now we go to
ORNX. As of this writing they have verified thus far that
75 are in the Ukraine in all manner of condition (
32 Captured.).
Assuming the
first 31 built with VIRSS were in the Ukraine that still leaves a difference of
44 tanks equipped with what?
Answer:
ARENA
Here's the "
rub" so below is your source.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...on_system.html
Let's start here...
Para 2...
"The modernization of various Russian tank models is progressing, despite concerns voiced by Ukrainian officials regarding Russia's
ability to maintain its production capacity amidst numerous sanctions. According to these officials, Russia is currently producing several dozen tanks daily."
(This is about
economics the sanctions really didn't start to impact the Russian Govt. until about
3-4 months into them. The affects were pretty devastating when they did.
Since then, what has happened Russian Gas and Oil. Well on Dec. 5th the EU Cap of $60.00 per barrel also Russian Oil to the EU via pipelines as the
ban excludes some landlocked refineries in eastern Europe.
EU is still buying at a reduced level. However,
India has more than
doubled their imports of Russian Oil and
China is still their now
#2 importer.
And what happened at the beginning of this past week? Our friends in
Saudi Arabia along with
Russia agreed to both
cut exports by 1.1 Barrels a day.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/comm...ia-2022-10-12/
Business is about money and money is needed to fight wars.
The next is the link from the
army recognition article from above concerning the
T-90M afterall by that article the
T-90M is also going to get the AREANA. Well along with the
T-80BVM UNIT 048 improved tank it's
NOT TRUE here either.
SAME WEBSITE Posted on 07 APRIL 2023
Lead Para cuts:
"According to a statement released on
April 13, 2020, by the Russian army press service, the first
T-90M Proryv Main Battle Tanks (MBTs)
have been delivered to the 1St Guards Tank Army of Western Military District deployed in five regions of Russia."
"
On January 12, 2023, the Russian State Defense company ROSTEC announced the
delivery of a new undisclosed number of T-90M tanks to the Russian army."
BINGO WE HAVE A WINNER ALSO THE IMPROVED T-80BVM ARE STILL IN PRODUCTION ALSO.
This is what this
ORIGNAL article is referring to.
But just in case, back to the
T-90M link from that article.
Under: "Accessories"
"Standard equipment (Therefore if it's Standard equipment" by any definition it CANNOT be an accessory.) of the
T-90M Model 2017 Proryv-3 NBC protection, fire detection and suppression system, nose-mounted dozer blade and a deep fording kit. To increase the operational range of the T-90, two diesel fuel drums can be carried under the hull rear. A very unique feature of the T-90M is the wood log mounted on the right side of the hull which is normally mounted to the rear of the hull for all Russian combat vehicles which can be used to pull the tank free from the mud. The
T-90M is also protected by soft- and hard-kill active protection systems (APS), which seems similar to the
Afganit system installed on the T-14 Armata. According to Russian military experts, the
T-90M is also fitted with a modern fire-control system providing tank-type target detection at a range of 5,000 m by day, an enhanced dual-axis gun stabilizer and an automatic target tracker that can operate in hunter-killer mode."
Nowhere above does read
will be added/could/can/might /option/is an accessory
They're building new tanks which means they
NEED MORE ARENA Systems for them is all.
This that "They have just equipped the first U.S. XYZ Brigade at Ft. Hood with the
ABRAMS SEP 4" that was pretty close to the actual article from last
January early February 2023.
Let's everyone be
HONEST out here, some fair amount probably after reading that didn't go beyond the title or a couple of more sentences.
Not too much further into that article, you would find they
ONLY received the
first (As in 1 tank.) M1A2D/SEP 4 for training and start of field operational evaluations.
"
The road is littered with they got. " And we have to
FIX IT.
And some of us are the "
Garbage Trucks" that pick up the "
they got" so the road will be clear for "
they have fully equipped XYZ Brigade" and at the roads end at the following addresses
123 FOC near
456 Time to Submit in the
TOWN OF PATCH located somewhere on the
U.S. Canadian Border (So you'll need your
Passport!?!)
We just had this discussion, my work takes so long because of the way these articles are written I can't count the number of times
Don, others and I have had to fix this and other similar situations over the years.
They truly are barriers to our ability to get equipment that's
already fielded by us or other countries. The
ABRAMS of 2019/INDIA before that almost all their most recent tanks and all the Russian tanks for I don't remember how many foreign countries and some within. And finally, one of my favorites that just "
popped up" again replacing all those
USN A-4 SKYHAWK pictures that showed up in all those
foreign operator countries, just in the last submission from Brazil. Just when I thought we got them all.
Well, it's
0549 I'm wondering in my current
condition how happy CINCLANTHOME will be when she asks,
"What time did you come to bed THIS MORNING?", as I cannot lie because this happens
EVERYTIME I
it's true.
So, we'll see if this exercise was worth or not.
Time to discover/Time to Research/Time to Read/Time to gather evidence/Time to calculate/Time to Formulate/Time to Format/Time to Review/Time to Submit/Time to Discuss/Time to Answer Questions/Time to Defend-Not often/Time to know the "Boss" is happy (The Canadian one.)/Time to ask if all was worth it/Time to Reflect and in the have the.../Time to say it was/Time to appreciate the TEAM effort to get there all these many years and because of it all above.../Time to know the work paid of at 95% of EVERYTHING submitted over those years got in the game. These last two submissions got in at a 100% because of all the TIME above.
Now it is
TIME to get some sleep and recoup from this B] Bronchitis crap[/b] as I've just entered my 5th week of it and the good Dr. saying the lungs are clear but, there might be
2 weeks left to go. Lucky me!
Regards,
Pat
