Thread: MBT's
View Single Post
  #1986  
Old May 12th, 2025, 02:10 PM
FASTBOAT TOUGH's Avatar

FASTBOAT TOUGH FASTBOAT TOUGH is offline
Lieutenant General
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Kingsland, GA.
Posts: 2,866
Thanks: 808
Thanked 1,367 Times in 1,023 Posts
FASTBOAT TOUGH is on a distinguished road
Fallout Re: MBT's

Perhaps a little clarity on the Russian T-54 tank usage.

And based on the ORNX numbers for the T-54/55 tanks I feel they both are being used as indirect artillery support as the below video suggests for the T-54.

I base this on the current ORNX numbers for all reporting items they cover to show that a total of only 14 of the above tanks have been reported.

Unless you want them as artillery units MAYBE you might just want to save yourself a couple of Russian slots. Neither have been upgraded for the current war.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news...on/vi-AA1AKE7Z
(This is less than a day old.)
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...ian-T-55-tanks


To better support the "MAYBE" by contrast I looked to the next tanks which would be the T-62 and up. Again from ORNX.

5 T-62 Obr. 1967: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (1, captured)

2 T-62 Obr. 1972: (1, destroyed) (1, abandoned)

135 T-62M: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6 and 7, and so forth...

46 T-62M Obr. 2022: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, and so forth...

36 T-62MV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, and so forth...

The above fall under the SOVIET banner to indicate they had only minor improvements made to them if at all.

10 T-62MV Obr. 2022: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, and so forth.

39 Unknown T-62: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, and so forth...

The above two fall under the RUSSIAN banner.

And note this is why almost a 100% of my refs to include the "vaunted" JANES use this site as the data is verifiable and more importantly to me and I'm sure most legitimate of the refs like is if it's in the "Unknown" category there is no guessing of which model it is so it is what it is which is again "Unknown" period.

Wasn't going to do this but here you go after this this you're on your own to check deeper this for "GP"...

3 T-64A: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (1, damaged)

92 T-64BV: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, and so forth...

2 T-64BVK: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed)

1 Unknown T-64: (1, destroyed)

All above SOVIET era again.

All after start with T-72 "URAL" at (1) and goes way up after that as you can imagine.

I would think again T-54/55 would be wasted slots again in the current war unless used as indirect artillery and Russia all ready has enough of that to include a new system that just came on line.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html

My final point is also for all the articles saying that the T-54/55 tanks have fought in all these battles over the last almost two years just doesn't wash with reality of the numbers lost for both types especially as compared to the T-62/64 tanks that arrived on the front about the same time.

Also you can find online some indicating that both the T-55 is very similar to the T-62 even the main gun design are about the same. This also includes the size of both tanks. The one way to distinguish a difference is I believe it was that they have the same number of road wheels however unlike the T-55 the front roadwheel is separated from the rest and on the T-62 the gaps between the roadwheels that increase towards the rear roadwheel (Hopefully I believe that's how it was and I didn't "reverse" the tanks .).

My recommendation and your call.

I'm staying "independent" in the tanks I'm working on however, and we've discussed this many times over the years and that is are we going to keep TI/GSR at 60 for tanks etc. due to game map constrictions and overall all game play?

I have NO PROBLEMS with this as is just wanted to see where your thinking is on the matter. You can answer here or PM me if you wish for this topic.

THANKS!

Regards,
Pat
__________________
"If something is not impossible, there must be a way of doing it." - Sir Nicholas Winton

"Ex communi periculo, fraternitas" - My career long mentor and current friend -QMCM/SS M. Moher USN Ret..

Last edited by FASTBOAT TOUGH; May 12th, 2025 at 02:57 PM..
Reply With Quote