[tbontob]

Originally posted by Quikngruvn:
Before this goes too far afield.... tbontob, your definition of 'weapon' is completely valid--'anything used to cause harm to another.' But the point you're missing is that your chart deals with weapons as defined by the game. That, I think, was Fyron's original point, and that talking about things the game does not consider to be weapons in this context is moot.

So, at least in the context of the chart, a weapon is 'a component that can do damage to another empire's ships, units, or colonies.'

A mine is not a weapon (it is a unit), but its warheads are weapons.
Intel projects are not weapons. They're, well, intel projects....
The Stellar Nucleonic Torpedo is not a weapon, though its effect is much more devastating than any weapon in the game....

Outside the context of the chart, all of the above are indeed weapons.

Can I have my hint now?

Quikngruvn

Quikngruvn

I appreciate you comments, but want you to know I was well aware of Fyrons contention.

An unaddressed issue is that Newbies will be using the information as well as experts. Experts know the difference between SE4 defined weapons, Newbies do not.

Newbies would like to know that mines have a 100% chance to hit.

Newbies would like to know that drones have a 100% chance to hit.

Newbies would like to know that capital ship missiles have a 100% chance to hit.

So, I have preserved the weapons as “defined by the game” in the ATTACK and DEFENSE bonus section. I assume there is no issue with that.

The special section is just that…special. Experts would know this and understand that they may not be weapons as strictly defined by SE4. And with that understanding, they could be more tolerant of the needs of Newbies.

Newbies do not know the distinction between SE4 defined weapons and non-SE4 defined weapons. More importantly, in the early stages of their learning curve, they do not care whether it is a “weapon as defined by the game” or not. Later, they may care, but it is not on the top of their list of priorities when they are starting to learn the incredible intricacies of this game.

They require a starting point as to what “all the weapons” of SE4 can do. And they can learn about the “chance to hit” of all weapons by reading it in this thread.