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I suppose that physics and all other sciences should take into account the effects of a spiritual aspect. Do you really believe this? You’re counter point does not hold weight in any true debate because you are speaking and viewing in a most non-scientific light. Spiritual does not fit into any modern day science.

No, I don't believe spiritual things are involved in science. I also don't believe that there is a science--observable, repeatable, verifiable, quantifiable science--of the mind. Psychology does not fit into the sciences, as they have been traditionally understood. The mind cannot be observed or measured; the scientific method cannot be applied to the mind. I am definitely not a materialist; I do believe that non-material, extra-scientific things exist. I do not believe that man, or science, is the measure of all things.

Having said that, I do believe that true science is vital to our understanding of the world and universe around us. Experimental, testable, repeatable science has been the drive for our advances from the Renaissance through the Industrial Age to the present.

You’re reaction is just the one that I was referring to when I stated that the opinion toward psychologists has already been tainted. Did it ever occur to you that Copernicus faced the same difficulty in his time? That style of thinking did not change the fact that the earth revolves around the sun.

That's a classic Bulverism (see logic or C.S. Lewis). I differ with psychology because it discounts the existence of a spiritual aspect to man. The Roman Catholic Church of Copernicus' day differed with him because it went against their tradition.

I am sorry but I cannot see what you’re point is other than to throw what I have stated here out the window because it makes the idea of the spirit and god come into question.

If you mean that I view mainstream psychology and any religion as incompatible, then yes. One is materialistic, and the other is spiritual. You can't explain everything as chemical interaction and still maintain that there's something non-material about man.

If all science relied on that style of thinking we would be living in thatched huts plowing with crude iron tools.

Actually, many traditional scientists believed in God. Newton, Pascal, and Faraday, to name just three, were all Christians. Not to change the debate, but anyone who believes in God believes that He created the world with order and design, and looks for that order in the world. Christians (and many of the ancient civilizations) knew the world was round long before modern science "rediscovered" it. You view religion as an impediment to science; I view it as an aid. Behavioral psychology views man (and everything else) as a slew of interacting chemicals (since that's where we've come from); religion views man as a designed creation which requires a Creator.