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Caponq: now that’s some good stuff. Thank you for the input. About the religion part it was only my conjuncture, I don’t try to say it is or is not the/a problem. I only mean to offer one possibility amongst many. Over the eastern viewpoint I don’t have much knowledge but wouldn’t Buddhists say the same thing as Hinduism? I really don’t know maybe you can shed another light on this topic for us all. Psychologists don’t deal with religion at all. I feel (my opinion only) that religion is better left to theology and philosophy. Point in fact (I respect physics so much I like to use it for examples) physicists don’t deal with god but they are not considered wrong for it.

For krsk: I see your point and agree that they are not compatible. I don’t think that psychology should be moved into the Arts and Humanities though because the neural processes that operate your hand and thus your mind and finally your behavior can be measured and controlled in labs. For an example look at a person that suffers for a sever blow to the head and caused the loss speech. Their behavior has most certainly been modified by a quantifiable effect. But I DO NOT let me stress DO NOT view religion as an impediment to science. My original post that spawned this (if you read back) was only offering an explanation it was not a statement. You are right to say that psychology started in anti-religion views. Also it is worth noting that most of the originators of those theories did not consider themselves to be psychologists. Modern day psychology, at least the behavioral paradigm avoids the topic of religion. This is not intended to imply that there is no spirit or god; it is simply that a spirit with present day technology cannot be quantified. Behaviorists such as myself want to understand what can be seen and measured of which thought process cannot. I don’t believe that this is ground to move us out of the science field though. Once again I must point out that that other sciences do not attempt to fit the spirit into the picture either. Finally you stated “Actually, many traditional scientists believed in God. Newton, Pascal, and Faraday, to name just three, were all Christians.” Do you mean to imply that all psychologists are non-Christians or is this stereotyping? Either way it still does not tie into the claim that religion is a part of science and thus psychology in that one respect cannot be science.