[Fyron]

The Bible is a nice work of fiction, but nothing more. I certainly don't interpret it as literal. I don't interpret The Lord of the Rings or Star Wars as literal. Those are also nice works of fiction.

The problem I'm having with the "systems evolved all at once" guess is 1) all systems would have to evolve at the same time--a pretty major accomplishment, even for a simple organism/living organic macromolecule/whatever; 2) we have no evidence of anything like that existing. In fact, we still have no evidence of any transitional forms existing (yes, the old no-missing-link thing). You'd think that, with the untold trillions or quadrillions of creatures that must have died here, that we'd find some of an in between species. We should find endless examples of them in at least one or two places on earth.

Take a look at a moneran, the simplest of organisms. They typically have all of those systems you are worried about, though in very simplified form. You are still assuming a magical jump between a lion with no lungs to a lion with lungs. Well, that never happened. ALL multi-cellular organisms have always had the bulk of the systems you mentioned. As they became more complex, the systems themselves also became more complex. There is no "missing link". One is not necessary. There is no lion with no lungs, then a lion with half lungs, then a lion with full lungs. All lions (and lion-like creatures that came before lions) had full lungs (and other systems).

Krsqk, I have a few questions for you. These are not meant as any sort of attack upon your beliefs, but as a continuation of this philosophical discussion.

1. What, in your words, is the Design Argument?

2. Why do you believe in God, and also in Creationism? On what is your belief based?

3. Why do you believe in Christianity and not another religion? Why is Christianity "more right" than any of the alternatives?

[ December 12, 2002, 21:19: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]