UK IFV Warrior, new infomation.

[Listy]

Right We're all aware that those huge slabs of Chobahm are good at stopping RPG-7's, linked to the WR's surviabilty makes them Quite a good vehicle... HOWEVER:



A closer look:



That looks Like Extra Slat armour on over the Chobahm armour, it looks to be placed mainly to protect the area's that the Chobham doesn't cover. So maybe even bigger Anti-heat value on the sides and front of the WR in the next update?
Edit: looking closer, it seems to be on the turret as well.
Thsoe where taken with 1BW in iraq.

I've also read that the WR fleet is getting a Balistic Computer upgrade, and I'm still waiting to find out details.

EDIT: Here's hte link for the details of the Fire control upgrade:
http://www.soldiermagazine.com/mag/kitstop.htm

[JaM]

Slat armor is really good at stoping RPG.It neeeds to be better modelled in WinSPMBT.By now, stryker could be killed with all RPGs quite easily.In real,slat armor could stop 70% of them completly( as it work to prevent them to detonate).30% hits will go through the grill with reduced penetration ability (it must burn through the grill, it will loss over 20cm in penetration, but it depends how modern the warhead is.) So such armored Warrior could be quite imune against RPG fire, as its armor could stop remaining plasma.

[PlasmaKrab]

The Stryker featureed in the game is the basic version without addon armour. If you want to add slat version, look into the "player icon mods" thread, Stirling posted a pack including an icon for such a one.

Tsahal has been using that kind of standoff RPG armor on their APCs for years. Not to mention the chain necklace on the Merkavas; the whole concept derived from the RPG fences used in Vietnam.

So it has to be modelled in the game, on the most modern Israeli M-113 derivates. Look at their HEAT armor rating: either you will have a good starting base for SLAT, or you'll have something else to upgrade!

I guess you could also start with the dozer-blade additional armor: look at the bonus the mine tanks get on frontal HEAT armor.

[MacGalin]

Hmm, i've thought that game Stryker+ is the variant with slated armour.After all, it has some (altrough far too low) anti-HEAT armour.

Anyway, in Iraq, polish BRDM-2s and Szakals (Jackals) (wich are BRDM-2s modified for desert conditions) use "mud flaps"- like side shields:


(This is actually modified Brdm-2 Zbik-B)

Well, afaik those shields aren't as effective as true bar cage (but better than nothing, i guess). Very nice slated armor for Szakal was developed, but our decidents still havent decided to buy it ( grrr.):



Source:
http://www.militarni.pl/?lang=1&cat=94&galeria=92
(in polish, but there are some other nice pics there.)

[PlasmaKrab]

Isn't there meant the be an intermediate aodd-on armor pack (applique armor), like the ones you find on many recent AFVs?

I don't know if this was ever fielded, and if it was, whether it was then sent to Iraq or if the deployed troops have transitionned to slat armor right away.

Applique armor would match the slight improve in HEAT armor of the Stryker+

[PlasmaKrab]

Whoops, looks like the Australians are going for SLAT too:

This comes from a Chinese website, which says source is Jane's Defense Weekly. Apparently the Australian scurity forces in Iraq have adapted Stryker-similar slat armor on their 18 ASLAV-25s.

[JaM]

SLAT armor will be effective against older RPGs, but will have smaller effect on more modern warheads like RPG-7VR. So simpliest solution is +33cm HEAT armor to covered areas. SLAT armor will not provide much protection against bigger ATGM missiles(Hellfires,AT-6,9 e.t.c... have better pen than 33..) as their mass and speed could destroy grill and penetrate base armor.

[Backis]

PlasmaKrab said:
the whole concept derived from the RPG fences used in Vietnam.

Its older than that. Russians used to tie bed-springs to the outside of their tanks to interfere with HEAT warheads.

Back then the penetrator stream lost coherence pretty fast so the standoff distance affected the effectiveness of the penetrator. Everything from sandbags to logs were used like this in WW2 by most sides, so I would not attribute this to the Vietnam era.

[PlasmaKrab]

Alright, I didn't know about these, WW2 is not quite my forte. Was that meant to fence off German hand-held rockets like the Panzerfaust? I thought there weren't that any tank HEAT rounds at the time.

Vietnam RPG fences were just the older example I knew of, and I wanted to point out that spaced grill armor wasn't a new idea.

Anyway any old material was fitted onto armor in conflicts all over the world, since WW2 propulsed HEAT warheads and steel armor have been employed on many occasions.

So sandbags, planks, tyres, etc. can be used to some extent. What would be useful to know is the precise efficiency of these things in terms of armouring.

[Backis]

PlasmaKrab said:
Alright, I didn't know about these, WW2 is not quite my forte. Was that meant to fence off German hand-held rockets like the Panzerfaust? I thought there weren't that any tank HEAT rounds at the time.

Vietnam RPG fences were just the older example I knew of, and I wanted to point out that spaced grill armor wasn't a new idea.

Anyway any old material was fitted onto armor in conflicts all over the world, since WW2 propulsed HEAT warheads and steel armor have been employed on many occasions.

So sandbags, planks, tyres, etc. can be used to some extent. What would be useful to know is the precise efficiency of these things in terms of armouring.

I believe the main intention of the bedsprings were as a stopgap measure to protect against Panzerfaust and Panzershreck. The effect may have been mainly psychological though. But as early HEAT rounds had poor focus they lost coherence and efficiency very fast, so a decimeter of extra standoff could give the equivalent of welding on several centimeters of steel for a fraction of weight and cost.