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Whats in a bunker?
I read awhile back that the bunkers in the oob have theories of weapons in them so i was wondering,can put any weapons in them if i want?
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June 29th, 2008, 03:30 PM
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Re: Whats in a bunker?
It is unclear what you are asking here.
Bunkers with a suitable carry capcity can be loaded with guns, soldiers and what not exactly like APCs. Once loaded they will be protected against enemy weapons but at the same time they cannot fire as long as they are inside.
The bunkers themselves can be armed with any weapon exactly like if they were vehicles. Such weapons, unlike the ones carried inside, will fire at the enemy. You can rearm existing bunkers with either the OOB editor or editing the scenario directly.
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June 30th, 2008, 03:39 AM
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Re: Whats in a bunker?
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Marcello said:
It is unclear what you are asking here.
Bunkers with a suitable carry capcity can be loaded with guns, soldiers and what not exactly like APCs. Once loaded they will be protected against enemy weapons but at the same time they cannot fire as long as they are inside.
The bunkers themselves can be armed with any weapon exactly like if they were vehicles. Such weapons, unlike the ones carried inside, will fire at the enemy. You can rearm existing bunkers with either the OOB editor or editing the scenario directly.
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What i was asking was i was thinking of putting new weapons in the bunkers weapon slot but i wanted to know if there was some data in what was actully in them so i can mobhack more bunkers with the right weapons.
P.S i am not putting apc's inside them,[ example of one of my bunkers,slot1 and 2 50.cal, slot3 mark 47 gl, slot4 law b antitank weapon.]
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June 30th, 2008, 03:29 PM
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Re: Whats in a bunker?
"What i was asking was i was thinking of putting new weapons in the bunkers weapon slot but i wanted to know if there was some data in what was actully in them so i can mobhack more bunkers with the right weapons."
In the modern era, give or take a few exceptions such as some cold war fortifications built in Switzerland, Italy etc.bunkers are not armed with "fixed" weapons.
Rather they usually are field fortifications (although sometimes permanent in nature such as all those albanian
pillboxes built during Hoxha rule). As such they generally will be armed with whatever infantry weapons available to troops who occupy them. Typically machine guns, rifles and stuff like that. Usully no antitank weapons as firing most ATGMs and RPGs from small enclosed spaces would be unhealthy.
Artillery (both normal and antitank) is usually entrenched rather than put inside bunkers, for the sake of range or mobility (if you put an ordinary artillery piece in a bunker you have to demolish it or leave very large openings to bring it out if you have to move).
These are some general points. There are exceptions and many more things to be said but I lack the time at the moment to go more in depth. Hopefully I will be able to later.
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June 30th, 2008, 03:44 PM
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Re: Whats in a bunker?
Depends on what kind of bunker you have in mind.
If you look in the OOBs, you find bunkers based on antitank guns or field guns (or stripped tank guns), but these are heavy structures made of reinforced concrete.
On the other hand you find hastily-built structures made of wood logs, sandbags, cinderblocks, whatever expedient.
Which case you consider will influence the kind of weapon you put in there, i.e. I wouldn't put a stripped-down tank turret behind just sandbags, and in an armored casemate you can put better than LMGs.
One thing you may want to keep in mind is the recoil and/or backblast of your weapons in relation to the size of your bunker. Typically, check if your LAW B can be fired indoors (US Army FMs are pretty clear on this). That's the reason why you will not find recoilless rifles in bunkers in the game (or IRL), but if you want, you can give them Javelins without being over-the-top.
If your question is purely OOB-technical, I think you can use any weapon except for the air (classes 11, 16 and 17), mine (class 15) and probably naval (class 10) weapons.
Unit class 1 'Fortifications' can be a lot of things, including entrenched positions for artillery, AA weapons, ATGMs...
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June 30th, 2008, 04:14 PM
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Re: Whats in a bunker?
"If you look in the OOBs, you find bunkers based on antitank guns or field guns (or stripped tank guns), but these are heavy structures made of reinforced concrete."
Though such structures seem to be quite rare in real life.
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June 30th, 2008, 05:29 PM
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Re: Whats in a bunker?
thanks for the detailed post guys.
to marcello,thanks i think i will swich the 50.cals to m60 and take out the grenade luncher and add a m79 gl
and to plasmakrab, thanks i remember an episode of future weapons[discovery channel]that the usmc was making a at4 that can fire in a little house, it was called the at4 cs.Don' know if they got it finished yet though.
Marcello do you use the dug in tank turrents and if you do how good are they?
Thanks again this helps alout guys.
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