.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

Raging Tiger- Save $9.00
winSPMBT: Main Battle Tank- Save $6.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > Illwinter Game Design > Dominions 3: The Awakening

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old May 22nd, 2008, 06:00 PM
moderation's Avatar

moderation moderation is offline
Second Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 448
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
moderation is on a distinguished road
Default What\'s the best unit for Flaming Arrows?

With Flaming Arrows in effect, are crossbows still better than shortbows when firing on heavily armored troops? And how about against light or medium armor?

I'm assuming crossbows will still hit slightly harder even after the Flaming Arrows effect, but is it worth the slower fire rate?

* This is referring to Conceptual Balance by the way.
__________________
How to observe blitzes
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old May 22nd, 2008, 06:20 PM

MaxWilson MaxWilson is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,497
Thanks: 165
Thanked 105 Times in 73 Posts
MaxWilson is on a distinguished road
Default Re: What\'s the best unit for Flaming Arrows?

I expect markatas are probably the best chassis for Flaming Arrows because you can pack so many cheap markatas onto the map. Or maybe Sauromatians because they have better precision.

That said, I haven't tested it. Fire damage aside, flaming arrows makes your arrows magic == better at avoiding shields, so if you're dealing with Abysians with shields, crossbows are still probably a better bet than arrows. For heavily-armored normal infantry...

A crossbow bolt that hits does 10 AP + 6 AP. A flaming (shortbow) arrow that hits does 10 + 6 AP, and you get twice as many. That means that 10 AP needs to do as much as (10 + 10 + 6 AP, since the other 6 AP cancels out). Gut feel tells me that's going to be around Prot 15 or so but you could crank the math or run a simulation to be sure.

-Max
__________________
Bauchelain - "Qwik Ben iz uzin wallhax! HAX!"
Quick Ben - "lol pwned"

["Memories of Ice", by Steven Erikson. Retranslated into l33t.]
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old May 22nd, 2008, 06:49 PM
moderation's Avatar

moderation moderation is offline
Second Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 448
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
moderation is on a distinguished road
Default Re: What\'s the best unit for Flaming Arrows?

Hmm, thanks for the input. By what would be the use of using Flaming Arrows against Abysians? I'm assuming they would be immune to the 6 AP fire damage, but maybe the hard to measure boost in shield avoidance helps? I guess I will test this later when I get a chance.
__________________
How to observe blitzes
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old May 22nd, 2008, 07:20 PM
Meglobob's Avatar

Meglobob Meglobob is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,198
Thanks: 90
Thanked 32 Times in 22 Posts
Meglobob is on a distinguished road
Default Re: What\'s the best unit for Flaming Arrows?

Longbows are very good, 45 range, decent damage, 2 strategic move, I think and very cheap.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old May 22nd, 2008, 07:21 PM

MaxWilson MaxWilson is offline
Major General
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,497
Thanks: 165
Thanked 105 Times in 73 Posts
MaxWilson is on a distinguished road
Default Re: What\'s the best unit for Flaming Arrows?

Yep, that's what I was thinking off. Might boost your hit percentage by as much as 50%, depending upon how fatigued the Abysians are. (+3 is usually about a x2 improvement, but the curve is flatter near the middle IIRC, at +/- 0 territory.) I still probably wouldn't rely on crossbows but if you have to, Flaming Arrows might provide a force multiplier.

-Max
__________________
Bauchelain - "Qwik Ben iz uzin wallhax! HAX!"
Quick Ben - "lol pwned"

["Memories of Ice", by Steven Erikson. Retranslated into l33t.]
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old May 23rd, 2008, 01:29 AM
moderation's Avatar

moderation moderation is offline
Second Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 448
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
moderation is on a distinguished road
Default Re: What\'s the best unit for Flaming Arrows?

Hmm, the manual says Flaming Arrows are magical for the purposes of hitting ethereal units. Does the magical bonus also give +3 precision then?
__________________
How to observe blitzes
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old May 23rd, 2008, 02:40 AM
Argitoth's Avatar

Argitoth Argitoth is offline
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Posts: 1,375
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Argitoth is on a distinguished road
Default Re: What\'s the best unit for Flaming Arrows?

the best unit for flaming arrows is undead archers.
__________________
Composer, Sound Designer, www.elanhickler.com
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2024, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.