OT: Saddam Hussein Arrested - Page 11

dogscoff · #**101** December 15th, 2003, 05:25 PM

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But the fact that Haliburton is benefitting from the war does not by itself prove that the war was started to benefit Haliburton.

That's true, but you have to admit it doesn't look good. However, even if you give him the benefit of doubt it still looks like blatant corruption and war-profiteering- an impression any honest politician would surely go out of his way to avoid giving. I mean they didn't even allow open bidding on the contracts, it was just handed to Halliburton on a plate.

On it's own, I might be prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on this issue, but it's not the first time Bush's integrity has been called convincingly into question- that affair a while back with the deregulation of power companies for example. Without wanting to open certain cans of worms again, I would also point to the Kyoto (non)treaty, and of course you have the 'irregularities' concerning his election in the first place.

Again, it all might just be a coincidence, after all if the evidence was sufficient he'd be impeached or locked up or shot or something. However the problem is that a corrupt politician won't generally leave easy-to-follow paper trails. Crooks hide the proof as best they can, and the more powerful the crook the more effectively they can hide it. So when it comes to heads of state and other figures like that, a big pile of circumstantial evidence is sometimes all we have to go on. Add to that my (initially reluctant- ah, to be young and naive again) belief that 95% of all politicians are corrupt, soulless, self-serving reptilian arsewipes anyway and you can see why I don't trust Bush. Sure, it's not fair and it wouldn't hold up in court, but it's what my gut says and in the end that's what I go with. If I believed he'd at least done what he'd done in the interests of his country, I could give him some small measure of credit, but I just can't believe it, there are too many coincidences.

Anyway, if Bush ever comes to my little town I've got some out-of-date eggs at home with his name on them.

Karibu · #**102** December 15th, 2003, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
If someone were to prove that Bush knew that Iraq had no legitimate WMD threat and that the war was only intended to line the pockets of Haliburton then I would say that goes way beyond propaganda. Propaganda is lying to gain tactical advantage over the enemy. This would be lying to your own people to cover up presidential malfeseance of a tremendous scale.

Geoschmo

Heh, this makes me remember one small scale (internationally insignificant) scandal here in Finland. We had a parliament election a year ago here in Finland. It is also about changing our government, for the biggest party in our parliament will have the authority to form new government (our government is then changed every 6 years). During the Last weeks of election campaign the 2 biggest parties (social democrats and bourgeois party) had a bloody fight over people's votes and the leader of bourgeois party got into possession of one secret document about our government's discussion of USA about Iraq war.

She knew that it would be very risky to publish it, for if published, it could bring victory to her party but could also cost her political career (publishing classified information is always invetigated). She decided to publish that she had such information and what it was, but would not reveal the source and actually lied about it (she claimed she got it "accidentally"). Her party won the parliament election, partially because of that, ans she was elected as prime minister. But little after election the investigation started and she could no longer hide her source. Also it became apparent that she had lied about things during election. I don't bore you with the details, but after less than 6 months as prime minister she resigned (othervise government would have collapsed) and the people were offered few other political heads in a plate along with her.

What was the point? Lying can get you only so far. And eventually, you have to face the consequences of your actions.

mottlee · #**103** December 15th, 2003, 05:54 PM

Good, Bad or Indifferent I my self am glad he is defanetly out of power, call me a "Flag Waver" that is fine by me! That is one of the things we (USA) stand for is the freedom of speach, written or other wise. I my self I am pro military and do think it is a "Good" thing to serve your country, and weather you beleave in the WMD's or not a VERY BAD man is no longer a threat to the rest of the World and for that we can sleep better at night!

(just my $.02)

tesco samoa · #**104** December 15th, 2003, 06:02 PM

Legal question.

Where will S.H. be tried. Will it be by Iraq or USA or World Court.

I feel that the only qualification to be met is a fair trial.

Does anyone know what jurisdiciton this would fall under ??

tesco samoa · #**105** December 15th, 2003, 06:06 PM

The reason I ask this is that I feel that this is the time now that will be remembered in the long run on the story of Iraq and the western powers influence on it over the Last 50 years.

I would really like to see the truth and I hope it does come out.

Karibu · #**106** December 15th, 2003, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by mottlee:
(just my $.02)

Offtopic: Just curious, what happened to $.01?

Loser · #**107** December 15th, 2003, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Legal question.

Where will S.H. be tried. Will it be by Iraq or USA or World Court.

I feel that the only qualification to be met is a fair trial.

Does anyone know what jurisdiciton this would fall under ??

Looks like it will be the Iraqis.

Fyron · #**108** December 15th, 2003, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Karibu:

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Originally posted by mottlee:
(just my $.02)

Offtopic: Just curious, what happened to $.01?

Where did 1 cent come from? The phrase has to my knowledge always been "just my 2 cents."

President_Elect_Shang · #**109** December 15th, 2003, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by Karibu:

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Originally posted by mottlee:
(just my $.02)

Offtopic: Just curious, what happened to $.01?

Two cents worth? To heck with that what about inflation? Ha, I want my monies worth from all of you, don�t make me pull out my +5 sword of wounding and get medieval in this thread. Ops, wrong game.

Baron Munchausen · #**110** December 15th, 2003, 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Legal question.

Where will S.H. be tried. Will it be by Iraq or USA or World Court.

I feel that the only qualification to be met is a fair trial.

Does anyone know what jurisdiciton this would fall under ??

Oh, they definitely want the trial to be done in Iraq by Iraqis. It would be disasterous to allow Saddam an international forum to discuss his various dealings with the US and its allies. If the topic were allowed to stray from his abuse of Iraqis (internal politics) to anything international there would be very nasty things revealed about many of the NATO countries who want to be considered 'good guys' on the world stage.