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Old July 13th, 2004, 04:46 PM

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hi,

i am starting to play se4 for the first time and the other players are some kind of se4-veterans. bad odds i know but thats why i like to ask all of you what can i do to secure my systems effectivly and what kind of general strategies and tactics do i have to keep in mind??

that would be a great support! thankx to all who help me out!!

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Old July 13th, 2004, 05:10 PM
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Wellcome to the forums. Kinda hard to put several hundred hours of trial and error into one post but here is something to begin with

In general:
- Expand as fast as you can.
- When you think you have enough research, double it
- Maintanance can kill you. When a ship is obsolete; upgrade or scrap it.
- Train all your ships/fleets.
- Watch your empires happiness.
- Don't forget first level of cloacking (stealth armor) is damn cheap to research (both for you and your enemies).
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For a start, check out this thread on fast expansion

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Old July 13th, 2004, 05:17 PM
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Welcome and good luck to you then!

I cannot give a comprehensive answer, since all games tend to be different. Instead, I will do my best to provide a few answers about defence.

- First of all, you may want to prevent the enemy from getting into your systems to begin with. It is made easier if you have few warppoints enabling ships to reach your systems. Defending at a warppoint (also called wormhole) allows you to strike first, while being in range of the enemy. It means you will be able to deal some damage to the invaders before they can do anything, and so they will have a harder time entering your systems.

To do so, you can deploy satellites over the wormhole (they aren't too reliable anywhere else though), fighters if you have researched this technology or your own ships. Fighters are fairly powerful early on, but are countered by Point Defence weapons, so you should add a few ships as well. If you do so, do not put the fighters and the ships in the same fleet, since it will rapidly deplete the supplies of the whole fleet.

Another way to deny them entrace is to put mines over the wormhole. Mines are powerful, but you can only put 100 mines at the same sector, and they are destroyed by Minesweepers. Most invading fleets will have enough minesweepers to destroy 100 mines, and so you should only use mines early on during the game.

- But fighting at your side of the wormhole will not be enough as the game goes on. There is a component that enables a ship to open a wormhole, which will bypass any defence you may have at your wormhole. So if you cannot hold the wormhole, you will have to protect your planets themselves.

Weapon platforms, fighters, ships and bases can be used for this purpose. The weapon platforms are rather cheap to build, and they are designed for defence, so they are probably your best bet for now. Do not forget that they have mounts (click on Weap Mount to see them), which slightly improve the damage done by the platform, and above all, its range and its accuracy. Weapon platforms are more accurate and have a longer range than ships, and so you can hope to attack them first.

Bases serve the same purpose as weapon platforms, but they are in space rather than on the planet itself. You will need a spaceyard to build a base, and they are much more expensive than weapon platforms, so they are not so commonly used to protect your planets. Lastly, mines are an effective way of defending your planets, but as before, most fleets will come with enough minesweepers to destroy any mine you might have deployed. (Obviously, fighters and ships can be used to protect a planet as well, but this is their usual role)

- When being on the defensive, another factor is very important: happiness. All your planets have an happiness level, which goes from Jubilant to Rioting. You should strive to keep your planets Jubilant, as it improves production by 20%. On the other hand, Rioting means that the planet does not produce anything, and cannot build anything at all.

Happiness is changed by events (such as building ships, colonising planets or signing treaties), and you can improve it by building the Urban Pacification Center (found under Psychology => Applied Political Science) and Troops. You will lose happiness if one of your planets is destroyed or captured, and so you need to keep your planets as happy as possible so that losing 10 planets will not make your other 90 planets riot. Because of this, even planets far away from the front can become useless because of rioting, and it may bring your Empire down more quickly than enemy fleets.

This does not qualify as defending your systems, but it matters as much, if not more, than repelling the enemy fleet. In fact, you can win a game if you cause massive riotings to the enemy, even if you are losing all your major battles against his fleets.

- Lastly, there are other ways to stop a fleet from getting into your systems, which usually involve breaking the logistics of the enemy:
* Stellar Manipulation III (found under Astrophysics) allows you to close wormholes via a component (whose name I have forgotten). If you can close the wormhole the enemy fleet is likely to use, they will not be able to get to your systems. As said above, Stellar Manipulation III also gives a component doing the reverse, so it only works if you have a technologic advantage.
* All fleets require supplies to move and to fire their weapons. If you can prevent the enemy fleet from getting new supplies, they will eventually exhaust their storage and will not be able to do much at all. Once again, Resupply V allows you to use the Quantum Reactor, which gives unlimited supplies, but this component is expensive to research.

The Frequently Asked Questions thread also gives a lot of advice about the game, and would be a useful read if you haven't already done so. And what Primitive said is certainly the way to go with the game in general.
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thankx a lot to both of you, primitive and alneyan!!

i think i will start with the mines and defending my homesystem. the hint with the wormhole is very interesting too because now i know what happened to me: as some of my ships flew through a wormhole, on the other side there were ships from my enemy waiting and i lost.

by the way, i know that i can set a strategy for my fleet. but i really do not know which is useful. do you got an idea?

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Old July 13th, 2004, 06:33 PM
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The fleet strategies you set based on the type of weapons the fleet tends to carry, or the role you want it to perform:

Optimal Firing Range is good for fleets that have weapons whose damage decrease over range, or for fleets going up against enemies that are hard to hit; it will bring your ships into the best range to do lots of damage and hit the most often.

Maximum Weapons Range is good for fleets with lots of long range weapons with bonuses to hit, such as missiles or Wave Motion Guns. With Maximum Weapons Range, the fleet will try to stay as far away as it can from the target while still being able to hit the enemy. However, there is a bug in this strategy which causes ships with this strategy to charge in blindly on turns when the ship's weapons are reloading; the Ultimate Strategies Mod's "Max Range Slow Reload" strategy fixes this bug.

Capture Enemy Ships tells the fleet to attempt to board and capture enemy ships; it is only useful if at least one of the ships in the fleet has Boarding Parties (research Military Science level 2 then Ship Capture). When all the boarding ships have used up their boarding parties, the fleet will attempt to fire at optimal range.

Capture Planet will tell your ships to attempt to capture a planet; it only works if at least one of your ships is carrying troops (research Construction level 1 then Troops). If all transports are depleted, the fleet will attempt to fire at optimal range.

Don't Get Hurt is good for unarmed ships; it will send them to cower in the corner of the screen and stay out of the main combat; sometimes they'll actually run out of the corner if someone dares to approach

Ram is useful if you install warheads on your ship (or lots of armor, especially armor which can regenerate!), or the ship has no chance of surviving combat anyway. (Ramming with colony ships is a valid and not uncommon tactic! ) Be aware, though, that the ramming ship takes 2/3 more damage than the ship being rammed, assuming both ships have the same number of hitpoints - and the ramming ship doesn't get to use its shields while the target does!

Fighter Attack and Drone Attack are special orders that should not generally be used for units other than fighters and drones; I think Fighter Attack makes your fighters fly in really close and fire away, while Drone Attack makes the drones ram, weapons blazing.

Point Blank and Short Weapons Range force the ship to fire up close; there's really no point that I can see to using them in place of Optimal Weapons Range.

Is that everything?

You can also customize your own strategies in the Empire Options | Strategies window, or, to make them persistent from game to game, edit the entries in DefaultStrategies.txt (you might want to make a backup of the original first!) or download the Ultimate Strategies Mod from www.spaceempires.net
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If you really plan on dominating the universe, check out the Space Empires Evil Ruler Handbook . It is full of free hints and tips that can be usefull(and funny ).
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Originally posted by Newborn:
hi,

i am starting to play se4 for the first time and the other players are some kind of se4-veterans. bad odds i know but thats why i like to ask all of you what can i do to secure my systems effectivly and what kind of general strategies and tactics do i have to keep in mind??

that would be a great support! thankx to all who help me out!!

regards, newborn
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And don't forget the ultimate gaminess, the art of Min-Maxing the Empire. Might as well get started on the right foot!

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once again it is on me to thank all of you for your postings!

special thankx goes to Ed Kolis, Imperator Fyron for their hinds concerning fleet strategy and minmax settings! a great help for me!

i disagree with Slynky! i will not change my forumname and like to ask him how he started playing se4?

regards, tobi
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I made this topic a Sticky for new players to find.

also read this thead HERE for more tactics and strategies.

also read this thread HERE for more tactics and strategies.

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