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August 9th, 2001, 12:51 PM
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Re: Ground Combat Lessons
I don't understand the difficulty discussed here. Against even homeworlds I never needed bigger than a Battle Cruiser (or was it a Dreadnought ?) with basics plus three phased shields V and the rest cargo bays. It holds 150 large troops equipped with shields 3, ecm, sensors, and a ground cannon 3. Possibly you are using some other weapons ? Somebody pointed out that other weapons do not work properly for troops. I would not know since I always considered GC3 to be most cost effective and cheap to research to boot.....
I ignore weapon platforms on the target, just use a decoy ship to draw off missiles, then when they fire the troop ship runs in. But it occurs to me that only works in tactical, not strategic. Okay, use two decoy ships at least as fast as the troop ship, with the decoys leading the fleet. Since they have weapons the AI will target the weapon platforms on them first. Use the cheapest combination of shields and armor available (no regenerators) and just one cheap and small weapon on each decoy.
The 150 troops will blow away all weapon platforms with no effort. Before you send in the invasion fleet, make sure you soften them up by taking out all satellites, otherwise the sats will fire on the newly captured planet. Also checkout any moon colonies for WP and if found just wipe them first. A piece of cake. Your fleets need to be given orders to stop firing when all weapons are gone, otherwise they will bLast population, when capturing it is the whole point of the exercise. OTOH if you are an organic just build facilities to change atmosphere and whatever it is that generates 40m pop/turn per colony in each system....
[This message has been edited by LCC (edited 09 August 2001).]
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August 9th, 2001, 02:24 PM
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Re: Ground Combat Lessons
IIRC the problem with this in strategic is if your transport doesn't have weapons you are correct it will be Last on the enemy targeting list, but it will not approach the planet until all the WP's are gone. Since you are not targetting the planet, your transport will never land troops at all.
The only way to get the transport to approach an armed planet is to have weapons onboard, and then it becomes a target for the defenders.
It is doable I am sure. It would take some testing of various fleet configurations to get the right mix between decoys and troop transports. But against a human player it would be harder cause they could simply modify the targeting to target closest first instead of biggest weapons.
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August 9th, 2001, 02:42 PM
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Re: Ground Combat Lessons
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I don't understand the difficulty discussed here. Against even homeworlds I never needed bigger than a Battle Cruiser (or was it a Dreadnought ?) with basics plus three phased shields V and the rest cargo bays. It holds 150 large troops equipped with shields 3, ecm, sensors, and a ground cannon 3. Possibly you are using some other weapons ? Somebody pointed out that other weapons do not work properly for troops. I would not know since I always considered GC3 to be most cost effective and cheap to research to boot.....
The problem for me was the fact that my race had a -50% ground combat modifier.
Also the design of my "Wobbly Bobs" was:
1 x Troop cockpit
2 x Ground Cannon 3 (15 damage each)
1 x Plasma Armor 3 (24 hitpoints)
For a total of 10Kt size, and 31 hitpoints.
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Re: Ground Combat Lessons
I always use strategic combat for the capture of a planet without any problem. I give the fleet the primary strategy "capture planet" and the secondary strategy "optimal weapons range". In the capture planet strategy I specify under the point damage "damage targets until all weapons gone". This makes first the attack ships wipe out all enemy weapons while the troop transport stays out of the enemy's reach. Then the troop transport moves to the planet and drops the troops. The troop transport has no weapons or only point defense and its strategy is of course also "capture planet".
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August 9th, 2001, 04:09 PM
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Re: Ground Combat Lessons
As LCC stated - the Small weapons are not really for use on ground troops. 50-60 Light troops with 1 cockpit/3 Ground Cannons 1 can capture a planet with a population of just under 1000 and only loose a few troops.
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