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Old September 11th, 2016, 06:24 PM

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Default Re: Bulgarian OOB19 v.9

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14 StuH 42 - I could find info in any articles, that Bulgaria used StuH 42 (...)

16 JPz IV/70A - ... only one JgPz IV/70 was used (but in ordinary V variant, not Alkett), and one JgPz IV/48. ...
(They were green, but I know it's not too important to bother...)

It is now in a formation 075 with a single Stug, there might be IV/48 added instead.

287 JPz IV/70A - same as above, but class Assault Gun after 6/45. There is a danger, that a battery with seven such vehicles can be taken...

I don't know if there is a sense to gather all these vehicles after 6/45 in a common Assault gun class - maybe it's better to keep them separated, like in 3/45-5/45?
Moreover, on a page https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2...B0%D0%BD%D0%BA) there is a mention, that 4 Hetzers and 5 other SP-guns formed a SP-gun battery within the 1st Army. The others were surely 2 Jpz IV and maybe 3 Stugs?.. or a command Turan and two L-40, although they are said to create a recce platoon?
Maybe it's worth to create in 3/45 and keep until the end such mixed unit, instead of formation 12 Assault Gun Bty?
I've contacted a guy, who wrote articles at Bulgarian Wikipedia, basing upon Kaloyan Matev "The Armoured Forces of the Bulgarian Army 1936-45".

According to Matev the assault gun battery of the 1st Army had 4 Hetzers, 3 Stug III, 1 Jgpz IV/70 (V) and one StuH 42. Apart from Stugs, which had been standard Bulgarian SP-guns before, the vehicles were given by the Soviets in 3/45. But the sole StuH 42 is suspicious, since reportedly it is missing in protocols of delivery from the Soviet Army. However, there was also existing Jagdpanzer IV L/48 (which survived in the museum, and probably is on a photo with Turan, that I'll attach).

So, if we leave 14 StuH 42, then we should add Jagdpanzer IV L/48 in the same category (SP Artillery), so the user can choose, which one is more credible. Then we'll have a perfectly correct formation 71 Assault Gun Bty, with all 7 vehicles (however I don't know which should be commanding vehicle..)

As I wrote before, I believe, that this formation and its sub-formations should exist until the end (now 5/45). I don't know if this battery existed as a whole after the war, but now we have formation 76 Assault Gun Bty from 6/46, with a danger of having 7 Jpz IV/70 or 7 Hetzers - while their number didn't increase after the war.

17 Scafo L-40 - its class Assault gun should be changed to sth else (eg. 52 SP-AT vehicle), because now they can be used interchangeably with Stugs. In fact, there were only two L-40 (known in Bulgaria as SPA vehicles...), and they were used in a recce unit with Turan tank only (form. 14 Arm Recce Pl).

I suggest names:
PzKw IVg - Maybach T-IV
Jpz-IV - SO T-IV (in fact, also known as Maybach T-IV SP-gun (SO or ShO - assault gun), but we should tell it apart from a tank, and full names will be too long...)
Jpz-IV/70 - SO T-IV/70
Hetzer: SO Praga (or just Praga)
Stug III: Maybach T-III
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