OT: Starship size comparisons 1 pixel per meter

[Aloofi]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
I made Kong climb the Empire State Building.

hehe, I tried to make him fall but he doesn't wanna turn upside down.....

[oleg]

Originally posted by Aloofi:
Is it there any chance that the kts in SE4 may be also taken as the lenght?

If a 500 kt Cruiser would also be 500m long, then we would be closer to sci-fi mainstream......

May be not a length, but a volume certainly. After all, when we speak about ship displacement it is in fact a measure how much water do we need to sink her

Certainly, it can not be water for starships. May be vaccum ? It does have non-zero "zero" density after all !

[Noble713]

Originally posted by Gwaihir:
Those are way off for the Eclipse vs. the SSD - the eclipse is 17500m and the SSD is 8000m, yet they are shown as basically the same size.

Actually, the Executor class IS about the same size as the Eclipse. See these pages for details:

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd5mile.html
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd.html#size

[Gwaihir]

I stand corrected. Thank you very much, good stuff to know. I really like how detailed the site's analysis is. I saw a similar one a while back debunking a myth about the death star. (and another one discussing how the second death star's explosion would have destroyed Endor's ecology - either from fallout or from fall-on (big chunks landing as meteorite strikes - no matter how generously you estimate it, there would be enough of them for nuclear winter (i think that's the gist of it) ) It was very detailed, got all the technical stuff covered, and was fun to read.

[Andrés]

But Gwaihir, we know there was not an ecological disaster in Endor. Ok, it’s not strictly cannon, since in starwars that’s only the movies and novelizations of the movies are cannon (anyway any starwars official material is far better than what trekkies call cannon), but the planet was visited many times later and the Ewoks were still living happily in their tree villages.
That discussion is wrong from the beginning. It should be why wasn’t there a disaster... maybe the Alliance managed to repair the planetary shields after the battle, maybe the gravity of the “controversial” gas giant “Endor” or “Tana”, the one “Sanctuary Moon” or “Forest Moon of Endor” is or was supposed to orbit deviated all debries.

Aloofi, tonnage would only be equivalent to length if ships had a constant section and a tonnage of 1 kt per linear meter. The resulting ships would be a few meters in width and height, constant for all ships but hundreds of meters in length.
So SE4 ships are small when compared with sci-fi mainstream.
Many Trek and B5 ships have their tonnage listed in their stats. Compare them with SE4 tonnages for further reference.

A fast approximation to include SE4 ships in those charts would be that 36x36 mini pictures are close to the 1 pixel = 10m scale.

Here you have my spreadsheet to check my math and play with the values.

I also made this shipset, the Box based on the measures from the spreadsheet.
The interesting thing is that I didn’t resize anything so all ships are in the same scale (even in the fleet/group pictures). I even used an orthographic projection instead of perspective to better preserve scaling.

[Gwaihir]

Correct, according to canon there was no ecological disaster. The site was different in that it agrued against the canon, based on a very wide variety of canon facts - basically, everything in the canon suggests that there should have been a disaster, except for the direct evidence that there wasn't - all the technology, all the visual evidence from the movies, and all of the known stats point to a necessary disaster.

The shield idea is neat, but a bit iffy - it was designed to go up and encircle the battle station, i believe guided at least in part by mechanisms on the station itself, and changing it to a flat planet-covering condition would have been pretty tough, especially since a lot of impacts would have come pretty rapidly after the explosion (bits aimed directly at the planet).

Hrm, wait, was the big hole oriented planetward? that would definitely help, then the might have been caught by the odd greavitational fields of the planet (which is mentioned as having odd gravitational effects that make hyperspace travel through the region messy, one reason it was picked as a secret location to construct the DS2.)

AFAIK, and as far as the pretty extensive research this fellow carried out states, there is no canon explanation of how Endor survived, it just *did.* I hate pointing out flaws in Star Wars, I'm a big fan, but that to me seems to be one. (at least there was no "big red button" on DS2 like there was on DS1, although among other big red buttons, a heavily shielded, turbolaser protected exhaust shaft is very reasonable)

Hrm, DS1, DS2 . . . DS9?? Makes you wonder, eh?

[Aloofi]

Yeah, but in SE4 the tonnage is in kilotons, not plain tons.
So that means that an unmodded Cruiser have 500 000 tonns.
Couldn't it be 500 meters long?