OT: The price of Gas..

[Atrocities]

About a year or so ago I posted about a seminar I saw on Public Television hosted by a mathmatican who talked about the Bell curve for oil production and how it will effect Population growth.

this link http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/ talks a lot about what he said, and it is truth, not fiction, and it is happening now. The more population grows, the more less we have, the more everything costs.

[rextorres]

Actually the price of Oil in the US is pretty cheap. Even though $1.50 sounds like a lot if you adjust that to the rate of inflation gas is the cheapest it's ever been. Most americans would rather pay for the social cost of cheap oil with their lungs instead of with their pocket book.

Most Europeans would be shocked to learn how polluted our air is from emissions. I live in the central valley of California where the car is king and there is urban sprawl. There are days in the summer where it's recomended not to go outside. We also have an asthma epidemic here. It's the same in most american big cities. Cheap gas encourages people to drive, gas guzzling suvs, and urban sprawl while discouraging public transit.

[ February 11, 2004, 17:57: Message edited by: rextorres ]

[David E. Gervais]

I remember someplace I heard that the oil companies are pumping something like 10 galons of fresh-water into the oil wells for every 1 gal of petrolium that they take up. So they might run out of fresh water before they run out of oil. (and to think they could be pumping sea water instead. but they prefer to use fresh watter.)

Oil we can find ways to live without, fresh-water on the other hand is necessary for life to exist.

I see big problems comming in the future.

I guess we are cursed to 'Live in interesting times'.

Cheers!

[Narrew]

What gets me going more than the price of gas at the pumps? Is the cost of Milk, I pay $2.80 to $3.00 per gallon. Now I know there are no refineries like gas to process this stuff. So why does milk cost more than gas, false market. Their industry is artificially supported by subsidies, bah, open it up to a free market bastards.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

yep, around 0.75-78c/L here. all the gas companies change there prices at the same time and what does the government say? that there is no price collusion between gas companies. yeah. right.

[Fyron]

Oil we can find ways to live without, fresh-water on the other hand is necessary for life to exist.

Do you have any idea how much fresh water there is? Far more than us humans could ever make use of.

[Loser]

Originally posted by Narrew:
What gets me going more than the price of gas at the pumps? Is the cost of Milk, I pay $2.80 to $3.00 per gallon. Now I know there are no refineries like gas to process this stuff. So why does milk cost more than gas, false market. Their industry is artificially supported by subsidies, bah, open it up to a free market bastards.

You might check your history, also check sociology world-wide. Industrial agriculture is incompatible with 'free market', and requires some amount of socialism.

Personally, I am pleased with the small amount we have in the U.S. I am also pleased that dairymen aren't killing each other in South Dakota over the 'free market' value of their milk. The free market is, on occasion, a bloody, bloody affair. While the current system of agricultural subsidies has room for improvement, it is preferable to the anarchy that results from total deregulation of certain industries.

Of course, I might be wrong. (But really, let's try to keep war out of South Dakota for a little while longer.)

[ February 11, 2004, 19:18: Message edited by: Loser ]