Unit Cost Equation

[Kristoffer O]

Sacred troops and priests have 1/2 upkeep and are generally given costs 25-50% higher. This might explain some of the worst buys.

Sidhe Lord and Sidhe Champ seems to be way overpriced with your formula. Why is the sidhe lord more expensive than the hangadrott? The hangadrott is better in every way except that he can't wear shoes IIRC.

[Saber Cherry]

I don't think a mage formula is any more relevant to Niefel Jarls as to Ice Devils. They aren't mages so much as supercombattants with free magic paths... that can go underwater...

Jarls and Ice Devils are similar, but nobody thinks of Ice Devils as mages.

[sushiboat]

There are some database errors in the magic paths. Oops! The errors are
sporadic, so I doubt that the formula will change much. I will repost after I
correct the problem.

[sushiboat]

Here is the corrected version.

Cost = (2.7 * MagicRes) + (.6 * TacMove) + (.7 * RegLdr) +
(29.4 * FullRand) + (37.2 * ElemRand) + (26.9 * SorcRand) + (37.5 * Blood) +
(30.6 * Death) + (32.8 * Earth) + (33.2 * Fire) + (37.8 * Nature) +
(31.8 * Astral) + (33.2 * Water) + (16.3 * Holy) + (30.8 * Unholy) +
(2.5 * Att_Def) + (12.9 * Air_Prec) + (11.0 * HP_Str)

Att_Def = ((Att - 9.4) / 2.1) + ((Def - 9.5) / 3.2)

Air_Prec = ((Air - .3) / .7) + ((Prec - 10.6) / 1.9)

HP_Str = ((HP - 12.8) / 8.1) + ((Str - 10.5) / 3.2)


Here are the mismatch lists. The lists changed a little, so I also include the
ones that dropped off.

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Mage            Real_Price   Formula



Starspawn            150     294

Sorceress            110     200

Centaur Hierophant    80     166

Asmeg Jarl           160     241

Troll King           150     229

Master 5 Elem        190     269

Witch Doctor          80     144

Sidhe Champion       140     203

Amber Clan Mage      160     220

Circle Master        100     160



Garnet Priestess     100     153

Theurg               150     210

*Sidhe Lord          280     274

Grand Master         270     317





Warrior Mage         200     142

Pan                  350     290

Hydromancer          180     117

Starspawn            280     216

Navigator            180     102

High Priest of Sun   390     306

Lizard King          280     179

Capricorn            350     247

Anathemant Dragon    360     232

Alchemist            300     122



*Arch Theurg         380     339

Niefel Jarl          500     443

*Hangadrott          400     361





* These had database errors earlier.

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[Endoperez]

Since there is a Starspawn in both lists, maybe it would be better for you to make sure which one is which... I haven't played R'lyeh in a long time, and can't remember which one is cheaper. Also, which Sorceress is that on the upper list?

[sushiboat]

Endoperez, your hunch was right. The starspawns got switched somehow, so
the more expensive one matches well. Same problem with the sorceresses.
Oh, well, maybe next weekend.

[Endoperez]

Wow, I hadn't thought of THAT! I just didn't know which one was which. Well, it's nice to be of help, even when I don't realize I'm helping...

[Scott Hebert]

Kristoffer O said:
Sacred troops and priests have 1/2 upkeep and are generally given costs 25-50% higher. This might explain some of the worst buys.

As much as I hate to disagree with one of the game developers...

Using your own formulae, Sacred Commanders and Holy Priests have no extra gold cost.

Sidhe Lord and Sidhe Champ seems to be way overpriced with your formula. Why is the sidhe lord more expensive than the hangadrott? The hangadrott is better in every way except that he can't wear shoes IIRC.

At a guess, because the Sidhe Lord has Air and Nature magic. The IW formula assumes equal paths have equal costs. Sushi's doesn't.

As for my own thoughts, most of these have small path levels. If I read the formula correctly, the path costs do not follow IW's formula, which reduces multiple paths at low levels.

The Circle Master can be removed, as it is not an offender. He should cost about 160; in fact, at 100 he is the most under-costed mage in the game, on a percentage basis.

The Master of the 5 Elements is the most obvious mage that I base my comments on.

[Scott Hebert]

Again, Sushi, the issue that I'm seeing with your cost analysis is that higher path levels aren't being given their properly higher costs. According to IW, magic paths have progressively increasing costs, and you have a simpler 'cost-per-level' scale.

If you go by IW costing, 2 in a single path is worth almost twice that of 1 in 2 paths.

About the only other concern I have is: where does the High Seraph fall?

[BigDaddy]

The High Seraph comes out costing 210 with Sushi's equation. If you download the spreadsheet I posted you can check for yourself.

I agree, that ideally his equation would price the lvl 2 paths seperately from lvl 3 paths.