OT- Honour Harrington movie

[PvK]

El_Phil said:
She is indeed easy on the eye, which is never a bad thing.

Starhawk, me old matey, cynicism is good for the soul. It's also normally always right with the advantage that when you are wrong it's normally a nice change.

Case in point: Serenity. A series of joy that was cancelled and a movie that just broke even. It'll be a brave movie exec who makes a sequel. Compare with, say, Lethal Weapon 4. One of the most derivate, predictable films ever made and the only thing stopping part 5 is Mel Gibson has gone barking mad and is making films in Mayan about ancient Mexico.

Hell Rocky VI is in the can and Rambo 4 is on it's way. No brain formulaic movies make money, as do their sequels.

That ain't being negative, it's fact.

If you say so, but please consider:

* Is there any reason why even derivative sequels _have_ to be so badly made, either for games or for films? Surely with the huge budgets invested, someone could invest some more taste, talent, or other qualities? Do the _have_ to be so bad to make money? Wouldn't they make more money if they were better derivative sequels than they generally are?

* Just because some crappy business practice makes money, doesn't mean I or you or anyone _has_ to care, purchase, or pay any attention to the crappy products. For example, we're still here playing Space Empires IV, a _good_ sequel, and I never even bothered with MOO3, a crappy sequel, or most other low-gameplay megacorp releases, or most Hollywood (i.e. crappy) films.

* By paying for, paying attention to, and mentioning acceptance of such crappy practices, one becomes part of the problem.

PvK

[Siirenias]

PvK has a point. And also, you're more likely to keep your audience and possibly grow it by making a respectable series of movies. Sort of like star wars, only not overbearingly shiney to the point of sacraficing content. Sort of like Harry Potter who, despite my own reservations, is a pretty good example of how to continue a sustainable movie franchise.

[Starhawk]

Yah know who would make a good Honor Harrington

http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=83531

Awwwww China


Seriously from what I've seen she's an okay actress and she's fairly tall AND she fits the "good looking Asian/Caucasian" mix that HH would require

[Kana]

China Chow is so hot...and she hasn't done many movies...might actually be a good fit...she can joke, be serious, do action, and be sexy all rolled up in one...and this is just the one film I saw here in with Marky Mark...

Kana

[dogscoff]

I would be interested to see hollywood's interpretation of 'coup de vitesse'. Whoever plays Honor is going to want some martial arts training- preferably in a hard style like shotokan rather than some hollywoodised and flouncy version of kungfu/ tae-kwondo.

I've read the books up to about number 8 or 9 and although I'd make time to watch an Honor film when it made it to TV, I wouldn't bother going to the cinema for it. I don't think a film show me anything that the books haven't already done, and given the shallow and formulaic nature of the books, I find it hard to believe that the films would be particularly enjoyable, except as exploding-CG-dreadnought firework displays.

And what's the betting that they manage to write in at least one gratuitous shower scene for Honor?

And bring forward events from the middle of the series into the first book so that they can have a love interest?

And make Nimitz all cute and fluffy and goofy and lovable, rather than the savage, violent, razor-sharp alien mastermind of a sinister plot to telepathically infiltrate and overthrow humankind?

And make the Peeps EVEN MORE unrealistically evil than they already are? (My money is that they will all be equipped with not-so-subtly-inspired-by-USSR uniforms, along with villainous twirly moustaches and bad-guy facial scarring, with the exception of the legions of brave and handsome Peep officers destined for defection.)

[Starhawk]

Uh never seen Jow Ga kung fu have you? LOL it is just about the hardest combat style of Kung Fu there is (oriented not for grace but for deadly effect). It also incorporates throws breaks and locks that would make Coup De Vitesse come alive

As far as the books being shallow I kind of liked them, they do have an "overly evil" enemy but I also understand where the bad guys are coming from, and let's face it they do fit the Soviet style mentality very well.

Hell before I read a review that pointed out the Havenites were supposed to be French inspired I thought they were an analogy for Soviet Russia/Communist China.

And why do bad guys only have to have facial scars? I mean seriously this is something I don't get, what good guys who are injured in battle don't scar?

See that's why my character Rukia Fujita has a deep scar on her face to go against the "only bad guys scar" trend; then again some folks think the Icarans ARE bad so I guess that sort of sticks to the stereotype heh.


Anyway considering the books have gratuitous "Honor nude" scenes I think I could live with that in a movie.....especially with China Chow playing Honor muahahahahem ahem.

Anyway the battles if done well would certainly be something to see, on the ground we'd get one of the biggest gore fests in modern movie making, in space we'd get some of the most epic space battles WITH SOME of the gorriest "real life" representations of death in a warship thrown in.

I think it could come out quite well.

[dogscoff]

Uh never seen Jow Ga kung fu have you? LOL it is just about the hardest combat style of Kung Fu there is

Note that I said "some flouncy version of kung-fu", which acknowledges the existence of other (and therefore non-flouncy) kung-fu styles as well. I'm not saying all kungfu is like that, just some of it.

It's a sad fact that out of all the hundreds of punching/kicking/grappling/throwing/weapons styles available throughout the world, the stuff they use on screen (particularly in Western cinema) tends to be limited to a small subset of showy styles (with lots of pointless and inneffectual jumps, high kicks and stuff.

Anyone ever see a film called "the hunted"? Utterly crap film- One of the worst I've ever seen in my life- but it had some really interesting knife-work from a Malaysian fighting art called (IIRC) balisong. Stylised for film, obviously, but very interesting nonetheless.

[Baron Munchausen]

dogscoff said:
I would be interested to see hollywood's interpretation of 'coup de vitesse'. Whoever plays Honor is going to want some martial arts training- preferably in a hard style like shotokan rather than some hollywoodised and flouncy version of kungfu/ tae-kwondo.

I've read the books up to about number 8 or 9 and although I'd make time to watch an Honor film when it made it to TV, I wouldn't bother going to the cinema for it. I don't think a film show me anything that the books haven't already done, and given the shallow and formulaic nature of the books, I find it hard to believe that the films would be particularly enjoyable, except as exploding-CG-dreadnought firework displays.

And what's the betting that they manage to write in at least one gratuitous shower scene for Honor?

And bring forward events from the middle of the series into the first book so that they can have a love interest?

And make Nimitz all cute and fluffy and goofy and lovable, rather than the savage, violent, razor-sharp alien mastermind of a sinister plot to telepathically infiltrate and overthrow humankind?

And make the Peeps EVEN MORE unrealistically evil than they already are? (My money is that they will all be equipped with not-so-subtly-inspired-by-USSR uniforms, along with villainous twirly moustaches and bad-guy facial scarring, with the exception of the legions of brave and handsome Peep officers destined for defection.)

Honor Harrington picks up quite a few 'scars' herself during the series. I wonder if they'll follow the books and have her wearing an eye-patch and artificial limb?

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Well, if they don't, there's going to be an awfull lot of angry people.

Plus, DW isn't exactly a starving artist - I'm pretty sure the studio would have difficulty presuring him.

[Baron Munchausen]

Starhawk said:
Yah know who would make a good Honor Harrington

http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=83531

Awwwww China


Seriously from what I've seen she's an okay actress and she's fairly tall AND she fits the "good looking Asian/Caucasian" mix that HH would require

She has the right 'look' for sure... but according to IMDB, China Chow is only 5' 2" tall! Not even close to what we need.