SEV: What am I REALY getting for my money?

Dejavuproned · #1 August 12th, 2006, 08:34 PM

I dont get this negativity? Why would you pay the money to get SEIV rather then stick to SEIII? It's the same thing only with "a few more features and some graphic improvements" right? SEV is too SEIV what SEIV was too SEIII a an improvment over the previous version, what more do you want? Hell the way people keep complaining about the graphics basically they are saying they want SEIV with a new name and some more features. Without the 3d graphics some of the features *cough*real-time pausable combat *cough* wouldent even be possible so we would be stuck with the same exploitable turnbased combat of SEIV so where would be the improvement in that case?

SEV to me at least looks to improve all aspects of gameplay over SEIV, for some features even going back to what YOU PLAYERS WANTED like the reasearch and intel from SEIII, and giving better visuals too. I for one cant wait!

If you dont want the game, dont buy it, your loss.

Phoenix-D · #2 August 12th, 2006, 08:35 PM

Uh, you can certainly do real-time combat in 2d.

It'd probably be a better deal for the OP if he had bought SE:IV 6 years ago like a lot of us did..

Dejavuproned · #3 August 12th, 2006, 08:40 PM

Maybe you can, but I dont see that working quite as well with 2d pictures as with a 3d engine running it where ships and fighters manuver in realtime. I cant see how you can do with with .gifs. Besides whats wrong with some 3d graphics, I think it will help create a better atmosphere where the universe seems more alive.

But thats just me. Sorry for going off like that but even as a part time poster here (though I lurk here alot) im getting sick of the rediculous negativity to this game.

Phoenix-D · #4 August 12th, 2006, 11:04 PM

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Dejavuproned said:
Maybe you can, but I dont see that working quite as well with 2d pictures as with a 3d engine running it where ships and fighters manuver in realtime. I cant see how you can do with with .gifs.

..does the phrase "Warcraft 2" or perhaps "Command and Conquer" ring a bell?

Both 2d. 2d has its advantages and disadvantages, but to say it can't do that is just silly.

Dejavuproned · #5 August 13th, 2006, 02:33 AM

Do those use the kind of simple .gifs that SEIV uses? If your gonna make an engine that runs like those games then you might as well just go the next step and make it 3D, the way I understand it is the ones compalining about SEV's 3dism want a game thats just basically SEIV but with a few more features. THAT was the point I was trying to make. And I also said I cant see it working as well, which it wouldent, 2D has its limitations.

Atrocities · #6 August 12th, 2006, 08:42 PM

SE IV is not SE V and SE V is a completely differant kind of game from SE IV.. SE V will have 3d combat and RT ground combat whereas SE IV does not. SE IV, in my humble yet illinformed opinion, will remain a solid stand alone alternative game from its younger brother for many years too come.

Dejavuproned · #7 August 12th, 2006, 08:52 PM

Oh I completely agree that SEIV will remain a great game and still played for a long time coming just like SEIII has. Despite the fact that new installments into the series are being made the old ones never die out, thats one of the great things about SE as a whole.

Black_Knyght · #8 August 13th, 2006, 04:47 AM

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Atrocities said:
SE IV is not SE V and SE V is a completely differant kind of game from SE IV.. SE V will have 3d combat and RT ground combat whereas SE IV does not. SE IV, in my humble yet illinformed opinion, will remain a solid stand alone alternative game from its younger brother for many years too come.

BINGO !!!

I happen to like the way SE-IV visually works now !!!

I am more interested in the 4x aspect of it than the REAL-TIME or 3D (ooooooh, aaaaaah, how flashy...) combat, the new interfaces, the new this, the new, the new that-other-thingy.

Improvements on the operational aspects, such as research, AI's, treaties, and the like are admittedly great, but if what I really wanted was a realtime 3d game, there are certainly other, better titles out there dedicated to exactly that, and little else.

Fyron · #9 August 13th, 2006, 04:58 AM

A real time combat engine (distinct from a RTS engine) is, in fact, a vast improvement to the 4X aspects. eXterminate is the 4th X, afterall. The combat engine is the most critical aspect of this X. If it sucks, the whole suffers. The primitive combat mechanics in SEIV (not even a basic initiative system!) have always been a failing point... Just compare to something like MOO2 and you shall see. Of course, at least they are no frickin Civ!