ot: another plane down in NY

[Atrocities]

You know, the "evil doers" in the world don't give a great God Darn about what we do or don't do for security. What they want is for us, the people of america, to panic, and turn on one another.

We are doing exactly what they want us too do. They say BOOO, and we jump. Lately, we have been jumping higher and higher. Everthing from a rat fart to a plane crash is now a TERRORIS ATTACK (news at 5) event.

I don't mean to sound insincere, and my god be with those people who died as well as there families, but I truly doubt that "that" plane went down because of a TERRORIST. Oh sure, they will try and claim credit for it, what good low life sewage sucking terrorist wouldn't?

To be perfectly frank, I do not fear the Terrorist, I fear what we are doing because of them. Remember how Hitler gained control of Germany? He faked a terrorist attack. I sincerely doubt that President Bush is doing that, but he did form Home Land security, and that reminded me of Babylon 5's Night Watch. Night Watch was based in part on the SS of Nazi Germany. Be afraid, be very afraid that one day, someone will take advantage of our fear, and the laws and agencies that we have enacted to protect us to eventually and utterly control us.

I favor greater alterness, and even federalizing the security at airports. I love the idea of Air Marshals armed with stun guns, and locking doors to the cockpit.

I would go further in demanding that all Air Line Crews be trained in self defense, and crsis managment. They do a damn fine job of it already, but give them more tools to use. Teach them how to disarm someone, or talk down a dumb *** who wants to "jump out" of the airplane.

Federalize the maintenance of planes. IE, have a few federal maintenace specialist at each national airport, that do nothing else but inspect planes with the Airlines maintenance crews. Remember Alaska Airlines and the crap they pulled? I will bet a dollar that is exactly what happned here. Someone inspected that plane, and left a wrench in the engine, and it caused the crash. (David and Galoth) Sometimes, the smallest thing can have the largest impact.

As for big brother, too late, he is already here. Next time you stop at a LIGHT, look up. Surprise, your on Candid Camera. If not yet, you soon will be.

Right now is not the time to freak out, now is the time to strengthen our resolve, and improve our security through rashional efforts, and not "OMG hit the panic button do everything at once as fast as you can get it done" atypical government style.

Plan the work, and work the plan. One hurtle at a time people. Do it right, and it once, and move on to the next step. This shot gun bLast effort to get it all done in as fast a time as possible will lead to more holes in the pipes than already exisist.

What happned 9-11-2001 was horrible beyond imagination, and it could have been prevent, but was not. Thank god they did not have the resources to do more damage and kill more inocent people than they did, for they would have. Now, they won't get a second chance. Well let us hope and pray at least.

Right now, my heart goes out to the families who lost someone in this most recent airlines tragidy, and I hope and pray that God will help them through this horrible time. What is needed is compassion, not rumors, as for books, do you think a copy of the Koron (sp) would get me arrested if I tried to board a flight?

[This message has been edited by Atrocities (edited 13 November 2001).]

[apache]

Whoa guys, I'm not saying there was criminally negligent maintainance problems, I'm saying that a few blades probably needed replacement, and better maintainance might have detected that.
And on what atrocities said, I totally agree. Ben Franklin once said something to the effect of "those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither freedom nor security". Pretty much says it all right there.

[Puke]

while i agree with Atrocities evaluation of the goals of and the proper response to terrorism, based on the description, i think the kid in question was descriminated against as a repercussion of the collumbine shootings more than as a repercussion of any terrorist attack.

[tesco samoa]

I think America 1950's McCarthy-ism is back in vogue.

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[Puke]

i probably would not go quite that far, but yeah, i agree with that sentiment. ugly stuff, huh?

[Atrocities]

Yep, looks like things are getting way out of hand here folks. New report from News 12

quote:

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PORTLAND (KPTV) -- Alaska Airlines is defending its decision to have a Portland professor removed from a plane at Portland International Airport.

An assistant professor at Oregon Health and Sciences University was in his seat waiting to takeoff, when an Alaska Airlines employee boarded the plane and asked him to leave yesterday.

The professor, who is originally from Greece, was told another passenger alerted a flight attendant that he looked "uncomfortable" and was "acting nervous."


The pilot, whom Alaska Airlines will not name, wanted the man to go through security again before boarding a later flight.

A spokesperson for the airline says federal aviation law gives pilots the final say on who Boards planes.

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It was Tom Jefferson who said that quote.

With Ben Franklin...

He was asked "What have you wrought!?!"
Be replied "A Republic... If YOU can keep it"

I fear this war may soon become a "PR" stunt to post opinion polls instead of a true war to preserve America. The economy is really heading for a full scale recession. There are job cutbacks being rumored in Sears where I work....

Should that happen, Bush will become is father.

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[Atrocities]

Glad your back Hadrian.

Say, did you ever get a respons from Aaron on those questions? Many of us have been wondering about them.

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My old ISP never let them leave the server. MM never got the questions. I'll have to resend them once I find them....


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