Where are default Country Training/Morale points?

[Kuklinovsky]

Thanks for information!

I have checked some nations and I am quite confused! Let's take 1944 values:

- "R" nation is set as Tito's partisans by default. Their base experience is 60. It is possible in respect of regular combat. But their morale fixed at 60 is completely inadequate! Yugoslavian partisans were fierce fighters. Many times their were able to defeat Nazi occupation forces even in regular battles.

- Polish morale is really funny! As we know there are two Polish armies in the game subordinated to Polish Government-in-exile (PSZ/AK) and Polish communists in USSR (LWP) respectively. Unfortunately I don't know why PSZ has morale 75 and LWP has 65 points. Eventually they are one nation units!

[DRG]

OK first to clarify

I've been back and forth between the two game forums so much today I forgot I was in the WW2 forum when I wrote this. In WinSPWW2 the moral and experiece is NOT done by decade but by year

Re Poland. NO not ONE nations units. One was a Polish army trained and fighting with the Western Armies in NW Europe and one was a force picked up and formed as the Russians moved through Poland. NOT the same at all

Don

[Kuklinovsky]

Re Poland. NO not ONE nations units. One was a Polish army trained and fighting with the Western Armies in NW Europe and one was a force picked up and formed as the Russians moved through Poland. NOT the same at all

If so, I suppose their "Base Experience" parameters should be different but both are identical: 70 points! But why their morale differs so considerably???

[DRG]

Yeah well, maybe we should reduce the LWP experience. It shouldn't be higher than Russia. Good catch

Don

[Tiger_Reyth]

whew glad that was settled it was getting pretty tight in here...

T_R

[Nox]

Might want to increase the Finns morale slightly too at least in 1944. Currently they are at 65 same as Sweden?

[DRG]

If I gave those lists to 100 people I'd get 100 different lists back producing ENDLESS debate. EVERYBODY has their own ideas of where those numbers should be which is the main reason we don't publish the list. The other reason is it's in code and aside from the fact we don't publish code we found from past experience than half the people trying to read the way the numbers are strung together manage to read it wrong producing even more "debate". Which is why the game allows you to turn that off and use the numbers you want to use if you don't like ours

So my question to you is why should the Finns, finding themselves on the losing side in a major war and having to switch sides have higher morale than the Swedes who stayed out of it or higher than the Germans whos side they are on ? And also the Finns have a higher experience than the Swedes so the two combined make the Finns a tougher opponent. In the game the Finns are equal for both Experience and Morale to the Germans. Why should they be higher ?


Don

[wulfir]

Nox said:
Currently they are at 65 same as Sweden?

Reasonable, given that the best Finnish troops were the Swedish-speaking regiments.

Tulkaa nyt katsomaan kuinka hurrit tappelevat...

[narwan]

Kuklinovsky said:
Thanks for information!

I have checked some nations and I am quite confused! Let's take 1944 values:

- "R" nation is set as Tito's partisans by default. Their base experience is 60. It is possible in respect of regular combat. But their morale fixed at 60 is completely inadequate! Yugoslavian partisans were fierce fighters. Many times their were able to defeat Nazi occupation forces even in regular battles.

'R' is NOT set as the yugoslay partisan OB.

From the game manual:
"Yugoslavia OOB020

1930-1946

This OB covers the Yugoslav nation, and then the various partisan factions of the area... "

Narwan

[Tiger_Reyth]

O man just wen I thot there was gonna be peace...

I surrender!

T_R