Russian weapons v4

DRG · #1 May 5th, 2008, 01:38 AM

"AK74 and AK47 -correct name AK-74 Rifle and AK-47 Rifle"

Maybe you don't see how ridiculous complaints like this look ??

NO.. obviously not.

And "3. The weapon 006 - PPS-43 - wrong range - 150 metres - correct range of 200 metres"

NO, correct range for SMG's using pistol ammo in this game is 3 hexes max, not 4 and I don't really care what sources you list that say otherwise. You already complained about this previously. Obviously I ignored your recommendation and it's not going to change so if we release another upgrade next year and it's still 3 hexes I supposed you'll include it on the next list as well ?

and "22. weapon 068 - MON Mine - This weapon needs to be cleaned. It is a defensive mine. In game already there are such mines which we buy in defensive missions. "

MOM mine is in the game for the same reason the claymores are in the US and USMC OOB's. Sorry you disagree but I have no intention of "cleaning" it from the OOB.

"89. weapon 238 - 9M119 Refleks - this is weapon clone weapon 172. I suggest to clean this weapon. "

Yes, I'm well aware of the duplicate Refleks. There were other weapon changes that resulted in a number of minor scenario problems which I corrected and issued new versions of . Removing one or the other of those would result in much more serious scenario problems so the duplicate stays.

"weapon 047 -AZP-23-4 CS Gun - This gun the gun clone - number 057 - it is necessary for cleaning. Shilka without a radar can shoot on any purposes, less precisely. "

Yes but it's supposed to represent a vehicle only used against ground targets and if you give it a flak gun it will react to aircraft like a flak gun and when used as a CS it's not supposed to.

Look........ Anyone really interested enough to be concerned that we call and "AK47" an "AK47" instead of a "AK-47 Rifle" will use your OOB and we allow you the space to offer it.

99% of the other players know an AK47 or and AK-47 or an AK-47 Rifle are all the same thing. Worrying if we have a hypen is just a bit too much but thanks for taking the time to do so.

Just because you find a source that says an RPG-2 had 200 mm of penetration ( for example ) doesn't mean I have to accept if I check other sources and find differing opinions I make a design decision and go with that.

I went though most of the list you published previously some things I changed, some things, obviously, I didn't but I will certainly tuck this list away and when I can actually look at an OOB ( especially that OOB ) again without getting a headache I will go though it and anything I agree with I will change and anything I don't , I won't and then next release we can go though this all again.

Don

KraMax · #2 May 5th, 2008, 01:58 AM

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DRG said:

MOM mine is in the game for the same reason the claymores are in the US and USMC OOB's. Sorry you disagree but I have no intention of "cleaning" it from the OOB.

This weapon use in game Concrete bunkers and other bunkers. How bunkers use this weapon against strangers units? Throw in soldiers or tanks the opponent?

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"weapon 047 -AZP-23-4 CS Gun - This gun the gun clone - number 057 - it is necessary for cleaning. Shilka without a radar can shoot on any purposes, less precisely. "

Yes but it's supposed to represent a vehicle only used against ground targets and if you give it a flak gun it will react to aircraft like a flak gun and when used as a CS it's not supposed to.

Than differs for example ZSU-57-2 from ZSU-23-4 Shilka? Only absence of a radar. All other devices at Shilka remained available. Shilka without a radar can shoot on air targets also as well as ZSU-57-2.

Thanks for attention.

DRG · #3 May 5th, 2008, 02:44 AM

11. weapon 030 - 122mm M30 L22

I have no intention of debating this entire list but perhaps you can explain to us all how the gun used by the SU-122 and the ISU-122 were the same ? Perhaps you have a photo of an SU-122 in service post war with the ISU-122's gun ??

Don

DRG · #4 May 5th, 2008, 02:53 AM

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KraMax said:
This weapon use in game Concrete bunkers and other bunkers. How bunkers use this weapon against strangers units? Throw in soldiers or tanks the opponent?

You're getting very tiresome Maxim.

It's used exactly the same way the claymores are used in the USMC and USA OOB. It's there to defend against close assaults. If an enemy unit gets within range the weapon will discharge. YOU may not see the point in it but I will remind you this isn't your game.

Don

Epoletov_SPR · #5 May 5th, 2008, 10:43 AM

It would be desirable to wish SP Camo fruitful cooperation with developers national OOB, they deserve that !

Start up even in a year, in new patches we shall see more realism in WinSP.

KraMax · #6 May 5th, 2008, 05:59 AM

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DRG said:

11. weapon 030 - 122mm M30 L22

I have no intention of debating this entire list but perhaps you can explain to us all how the gun used by the SU-122 and the ISU-122 were the same ? Perhaps you have a photo of an SU-122 in service post war with the ISU-122's gun ??

Don

SU-122 Uses a gun 122mm M-30S. On it history SU-122 comes to an end. This gun was not so effective on the big distances for struggle against armour technics of the opponent.

From the middle of 50th years on the basis of tank T-54 chassis it has been developed SU-122-54 with a gun 122mm D-49 - this gun is similar to a gun 122mm D-25T.

ISU-122 Use a gun 122mm A-19. Further this gun modernised also it has take name D-25.

DRG · #7 May 5th, 2008, 02:08 PM

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KraMax said:SU-122 Uses a gun 122mm M-30S. On it history SU-122 comes to an end. This gun was not so effective on the big distances for struggle against armour technics of the opponent.

From the middle of 50th years on the basis of tank T-54 chassis it has been developed SU-122-54 with a gun 122mm D-49 - this gun is similar to a gun 122mm D-25T.

ISU-122 Use a gun 122mm A-19. Further this gun modernised also it has take name D-25.

I see. So explain to me why your OOB has SU-122's using the same gun as a IS-2M and a IS-3 and a IS-4 and a T-10 and a T-10B and a ISU-122 in from 1946 to the end of 1954.

Please do provide photos of this version of the SU-122. I would be quite interested in seeing them. You imply thatALL SU-122's had the short M30 L22 gun removed and replaced with the D-25T starting 1946 ???

Prove it.

Don

KraMax · #8 May 5th, 2008, 02:44 PM

Why we in this theme discuss our OOB?

In this theme I have written that from more 600 made SU-122 with this gun, have a little reached the war end. By the Soviet designers of down M30 it has been recognised by unsuccessful for SU-122 and in August, 1943 manufacture SU-122 has been stopped. Also in design SU-122 there were lacks, for example there was no machine gun.

If in this theme to speak about our OOB we never and did not speak that we OOB does not contain errors - the list of changes in it and the found out errors we always published at this forum. We are always ready to discuss errors or discrepancies and to correct them.

I will study a question about SU-122 and if we are wrong in more details, we is made changes to our OOB.

Best regards.

billybob2002 · #9 May 5th, 2008, 08:28 PM

After a quick search, I found some pictures of the SU-122-54 aka IT-122.

http://www.dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=457&lng=E

SU-122 and SU-122-54 are two different vehicles because one uses the hull of a T-34 and the other uses the hull of the T-54. Additionally, I believe SU-122-54 was developed to be a tank destroyer. I have no clue how many of them were produced (one translated Russian site says only 77).

I haven't found anything about World War 2 SU-122s having their howitzers being upgraded to the 122mm D-49. During World War 2, the Russians tried to replace the howitzer but those tanks failed during the trials.

DRG · #10 May 5th, 2008, 09:29 PM

quote]KraMax said:
Why we in this theme discuss our OOB?

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Why ? Because you're the one claiming the SU-122 as we have modeled in the Russian OOB did not exist with the 122mm M30 L22 gun and that we should "clean" that weapon from the OOB but if we "clean" that weapon from the OOB something must replace it in the vehicle.. yes ? So I took a little peek at your OOB and lo and behold you give your SU-122 the same gun as the IS-2M the IS-3, the IS-4 , the T-10 , the T-10B and the ISU-122 in from 1946 to the end of 1954 so I ask you to justify that with proof and the Russian Wikipedia entry isn't very good "proof". I figured since you posted a list of 93 mostly trivial "errors" in our OOB you wouldn't have a problem with my questioning your work. You really don't consider that MAYBE we don't always think your info was passed down on stone tablets. The range of the RCL's is just one example.

So.. show me information on this other weapon the post war SU-122's are supposed to have used. A photo would be a good start especially one of an SU-122 carrying the gun from a T-10

Don