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Unit 424 Motor Section
Like the above but with the M16 instead of the AK-47 in the first slot and 7/2007 as start date.
End date would be 12/120 for this one.
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Unit 9: M60A1Rise
Unit 10: M60A3-TTS

I had requested, previously in this thread, an initial availability date set to end 2008. That was in light of a proposed deal for the purchase of a large number of M60 tanks.
So far however no such tanks have been delivered and no further talks have been reported about it. There have also more recently been rumors about a large order of upgraded T-72s but this has quickly turned out to be just a plant by a contractor.
So at this point there are no M60s in iraqi service and no public plans to aquire them. Yet it still cannot be ruled out that some will be aquired at some point.
I suggest the initial availability date to be moved from current 10/2008 to 1/2012 or such and wait and see what happens.

In the meantime Iraq is purchasing a few more vanilla T-72M/M1
and crew training for Abrams tanks has begun.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...or-Iraq-05013/

Some have noted that it is likely that in addition to the 140-280Abrams already ordered more will be loaned from the US Army as US forces in Iraq are reduced (that would also explain a reduced interest for gap filler vehicles like the M60).

Unit 608: M1A1 Abrams

In light of the above and following info I would suggest initial availability date to be anticipated to 1/2011 from current 1/2012.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/multim...-Equipment.pdf

According to this the newly built Abrams could be delivered as early as late 2010 and the loaned ones (if that goes on) would available soon too. So beginning of 2011 should be prudent for the moment.
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Unit 29: T-72A
Start date is currently 1/75. It should be postponed to 1/79 at the earliest. SIPRI lists 1979 and it is my understanding from tanknet that T-72s would not have been made available by the USSR to third world clients before that year.

Unit 43: ZSU-23-4
Unit 45: ZSU-23-4M

There are some issues with dates. Unit 43 ends at 12/100 and unit 45 begins at 1/93. In reality no ZSU-23 were delivered after the embargo and I am not aware of any upgrade progam carried out during the sanction era. I suggest 4/103 as final date for unit 43 and late 80's as start date for unit 45.

Unit 64: YW 531 APC
As with most of the chinese weapons, they were purchased in the 80's. SIPRI lists 1982 as delivery date.
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Unit 215 : M728 CEV
The iraqis have aquired T-72 based BREM engineering vehicles so far. M728 availability date should be pushed further forward as for the M60, or be renationalized and eliminated from purchase list. While some might have been included in a large purchase of surplus M60 that isn’t materializing and the purchase of such a niche vehicle was always a low probability.

Unit 314 and unit 316: OT-64 SKOT
Current initial availability dates are 1965 and 1974. According to SIPRI First units were delivered to Iraq in 1981. As it is now they are available before they are available in the czech OOB, which is rather unlikely.

Unit 348 and unit 573: JSU-122
Current final availability date date are 12/1990 and 12/1991. That is too late for such vehicles. I suggest 12/1984 as final date at the latest. Unit 352 Steyr SK-105 can fill the gap in the formations.

Unit 359: Palmaria
A total of two-three units were delivered (source Gulflink). This would indicate that they were meant for testing and evaluation rather than operational use. I would suggest X3 radio code.

Unit 571: SU-100M
Final availability date is 12/1991. That is too late. I suggest 12/1980 like most of the others SU vehicles or 12/1984.
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Unit 61 : BTR-50PK
Unit 62 : OT-62
Final availability date should be 4/103 instead of current 12/104. Unit 63 Mt-Lb can fill the gap in the formations being of the same class and available since 1/1975 to 12/2020

Unit 66: BMP-1
It is available since 1/1980 in the game. I suggest 1/1975 as initial availability date.
According to SIPRI first units were delivered in 1974-1975. Based on soviet export pattern of such vehicle, 1974-1975 would indeed seem right.

Also a new BMP-1 unit should be made available in the 2005-2020 timeframe, to represent the BMP-1s in service in the new iraqi army. Such BMP should not have the ATGM though.
Source : http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...planned-01512/
http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-...s-to-Iraq.html
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Unit 231: 45mm AT-Gun
If any were supplied, unlikely but not impossible, they would be used as light infantry guns firing HE mostly, as it usually happened to small antitank guns once they outlived their usefulness in their primary role. I suggest an increase in HE rounds and a decrease in AP/APCR
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Unit 215 : M728 CEV
The iraqis have aquired T-72 based BREM engineering vehicles so far. M728 availability date should be pushed further forward as for the M60, or be renationalized and eliminated from purchase list. While some might have been included in a large purchase of surplus M60 that isn’t materializing and the purchase of such a niche vehicle was always a low probability.


Help me out here please, I'm a bit swamped ATM

The Brem you are referring to would that be the "IMR-2MA" in the Ukranian OOB or the "IMR" in the Russian or both or neither and if it's one or the other or both what date was it put in service?

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