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[Dedas]

I'm talking about the weapon pike. CBM changes pikes to attack 2 and damage 6 instead of attack 1 and damage 5. LA Ulm pikeneers has pikes making them boringly cost effective over other LA Ulm infantry. But that is just one minor issue have with the current CBM.

[quantum_mechani]

Originally Posted by Dedas

I'm talking about the weapon pike. CBM changes pikes to attack 2 and damage 6 instead of attack 1 and damage 5. LA Ulm pikeneers has pikes making them boringly cost effective over other LA Ulm infantry. But that is just one minor issue have with the current CBM.

I'm sorry to hear that. The pike change is certainly not one I'm particularly attached to- you have certainly presented a convincing argument that something needs to be done, either scaling back the change or adjusting other weapons. I was under the impression most the recent cb changes were pretty uncontroversial, so if you have other issues please bring them up in the cb thread. Even if I don't respond immediately, I always go over the thread carefully before releasing a new version.

[chrispedersen]

Qm,

I have an idea which I have been thinking about incorporating into my version of cbm; perhaps you'd like to consider it.

Here are three options I have been considering:

1. Make the attack armor negating/armor piercing. I tend more toward the former.
2. Giving pikes a first strike bonus, like the lance.
2. Giving pikes the weapons an add on attack, that is a one time thing, something like what a net gets.

What would make the most sense would be a one time effect that was AoE/AN - but not a lot of damaage.

This would work best against heavily armored targets - just like pikes traditionally were used for.

[quantum_mechani]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Qm,

I have an idea which I have been thinking about incorporating into my version of cbm; perhaps you'd like to consider it.

Here are three options I have been considering:

1. Make the attack armor negating/armor piercing. I tend more toward the former.
2. Giving pikes a first strike bonus, like the lance.
2. Giving pikes the weapons an add on attack, that is a one time thing, something like what a net gets.

What would make the most sense would be a one time effect that was AoE/AN - but not a lot of damaage.

This would work best against heavily armored targets - just like pikes traditionally were used for.

All of those look pretty extreme, I think I'd probably rather leave them as base than something with such a huge impact.

One thing though, all the CB versions are confusing people quite a lot, so I'd appreciate it if you called any tangential mods by some unrelated name (though whatever part of CB you wish to use you are welcome too).

[KissBlade]

Originally Posted by Dedas

I'm talking about the weapon pike. CBM changes pikes to attack 2 and damage 6 instead of attack 1 and damage 5. LA Ulm pikeneers has pikes making them boringly cost effective over other LA Ulm infantry. But that is just one minor issue have with the current CBM.

You'd make pikemen's over rangers, shields and zweihanders...? Really...?

[chrispedersen]

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