OT: Star Trek Nemesis

disabled · #1 September 2nd, 2002, 04:17 AM

Lemme clear up my hopes for the romulan war.

It always ran on my mind that the only way the war could have been that serious and have the romulans remain unknown was to use the vulcans.

The Vulcans and Andorians have this cold war thing going on, maybe fore a good reason. Perhaps the Romulans are secretly manipulating the Vulcans to expand thier empire. Weaken thy enemy before weaken thyself.

Soval always struck me as being on the emotional side.

Magnum357 · #2 September 2nd, 2002, 05:44 AM

A good possibility. I agree, their have been a few Vulcans that could be Romulans. Why couldn't they infiltrate Vulcan. I guess we will have to wait and see if Paramount will add the Romulan War or not.

disabled · #3 September 2nd, 2002, 05:04 PM

the good thing is that they arranged Enterprise to end it's run just before the formation of the Federation.

Perhaps the Romulan war never happened, but was made up to cover up the Temporal Cold War.

gregebowman · #4 September 2nd, 2002, 06:37 PM

Well, I don't know any of the SFB history, but from what I have read and understood over the 3 decades I've been a Trekkie, there was no visual contact between the terran (or federation) fleets and the Romulans. Now either the Romulans didn't have that kind of technology at the time (subspace transmissions), or they were very xenophobic and didn't want anyone to know what they looked like. Now, whether they knew they resembled Vulcans or not was unclear, but Berman made up for that in ST:TNG. One of the few things that has always bugged me about the Star Trek franchis is the use of language. It seems like every race speaks English (or Basic or whatever you want to call it) even when they are met for the first time. A univeral translator can only do so much. That's one thing I like about Enterprise, where they have to learn every new language. Maybe that's what caused the first Terran/Federation vs Romulan war; a simple lack of knowledge of each other's language and customs. It would be interesting once they do show this war to show the creation of the Federation. That would bring the Andorians and Tellarites into the treaty, and if I'm not mistaken, Alpha Centauri was the fifth founding race. I can't wait for September 18 to see the new season.

Magnum357 · #5 September 3rd, 2002, 06:46 AM

Hey, I do have one question about all this Romulan stuff on ST:Enterprise. On the episode "Silent Enemey" (I think that is what the episode is called) when that ship (which seem to have a clocking device, could that have been a Romulan ship? When my brother and I first saw that episode, we figured "hey, maybe these are the Romulans that the crew finally runs into" yet we see some sort of creatures that board the Enterprise and then we thought "man, they sure don't look like Romulans I have ever seen".

I mean, Archer fires a Phase Pistol at them and it didn't even seem to bother them. Could it be possible that it was a Romulan ship and those creaters where etheir allied to the Romulans or controled by the Romulans somehow? Or maybe they were holograms... er.. nah! Granted, a long shot, but the encounter between the the unknown ship and the Enterprise sure did "feel" like a Romulan encounter to me. I'll say one thing, if they are not romulan, they are definitly one of the weirdest races I have ever seeno on Star Trek, even in the 24th Century.

Major Tom · #6 September 4th, 2002, 07:09 AM

However, from what I understand, cloaking was a new technology the Romulans developed when they fought Kirk. Their ships were also sublight vessels at that time as well. For them to keep a Romulan war realistic to Trek history it has to be primarily in space, (as any land battle would show Romulan bodies). Since Romulans were already shown to self destruct instead of surrendering, knowing what they look like will be very difficult. I do hope that they do not get into what DS9 did, and just have a big all consuming war. The war could be just a few episodes long, not a few seasons.

I am also miffed at a lot of what is going on in Enterprise. All of these technologically advanced aliens they are meeting really confuses me. Virtually all of the space that Enterprise is flying through is Federation territory by TOS. However, many aliens they encountered in Enterprise were vastly superior to them. So why would they become members of a federation sponsored by technologically inferior beings? Where did all of these 'new' races go? So far, all that we have seen from any other Star Trek episode are...

1. Humans
2. Vulcans
3. Klingons
4. Andorians
5. Ferrengi (for some reason they decided to introduce the Ferrengi in Enterprise, when they were unknown even when Picard fought them. This makes me feel that the Romulans will be done in a similar way, the crew will know them, but will feel that it is too unimportant to report to Starfleet for some unknown reason).

I may be missing 1 or two, but the vast majority of new life they are meeting is just new and too unbelievably powerful to just dissappear. What's next? The Borg?

Puke · #7 September 4th, 2002, 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by Hadrian Tyrael S. Aventine:

Perhaps the Romulan war never happened, but was made up to cover up the Temporal Cold War.

oh please tell me you just made up that bit about the TCW? please?

I gave up watching enterprise after the first episode (shortly before that, actually) when i became fed up with the lack of continuity not only between trek serise, but from one episode to the next. lack of thought put into story arcs, temporal un-doings of events, and no direction to anything. things only make sense when over zealous fans make up excuses for why the trek universe is not COMPLETELY ridiculous, and then those theories are promptly over-ridden when some new episode comes out.

Tell me there isnt really a temporal cold war in the trek universe! thats the final straw of absurdity that would completely un-do anything any of the old episodes or old serise have ever accomplished. it just does not get any worse than that.