OT: Star Trek Nemesis

QuarianRex · #1 September 8th, 2002, 07:06 PM

The one thing that always got me about Trek, compared to other sci-fi, was that there were never any consequences, nothing had an effect. In TOS and TNG the crew faced invincible foes and world changing problems every episode and yet solved them in such a way that they always broke even, nothing in the universe actually changed.

Granted, this fit well with the utopian starfleet image, the enlightened olympians handing down judgement and meddling with mere mortals as they see fit, but is it human? I know that the idea was to show the best that humans could be, but it ignored the fact that not everyone will agree with you.

This is why I liked DS9 so much. Here starfleet had to deal with equals who completely disagreed with them, instead of merely handling their inferiors (whether it was technologically, intellectually, or morally inferior). DS9 showed that even in utopia there are those who are willing to take what you hold dear.

disabled · #2 September 8th, 2002, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by Hadrian Tyrael S. Aventine:
Just to jump back to the Star Trek two lot whole of chekov, how do we know chekov wasn't on the ship when Kahn was around (maybe a scene that we didn't see). Sulu started as a science office on the ship before becoming the helmsman, same with other cast members that came on after the first episodes were made.

Good point, this could very well be the truth of the matter. While not canon, it fits the bill

[ June 16, 2003, 05:17: Message edited by: General Talashar ]

Magnum357 · #3 September 8th, 2002, 10:36 PM

Good point Hadrian. Who is to say that Chekov wasn't doing some Academy inturnship work on the Enterprise? If I recall, Cadets are required to serve about a starship for a year or two before they graduate right? Maybe Chekov was on board when Kahn tried to take over but was in a non-senior officer role. He did have Security experience, maybe he started out with the Security detachment on board Enterprise. This would work out nice too because Kahn did try to forcably take over Enterprise. Maybe he was part of the Security Forces involved to defeat Kahn!

geoschmo · #4 September 8th, 2002, 11:00 PM

Maybe Checkov was working the night shift that season.

Urendi Maleldil · #5 September 8th, 2002, 11:12 PM

What ever happened to Special Agent Gary Seven and his kind? His super high-tech superiors seem to have disappeared.

disabled · #6 September 8th, 2002, 11:24 PM

Gary seven was supposed to be the first trek spinoff.

The networks felt a series like that wouldn't work - even with an xfiles twist...

gregebowman · #7 September 9th, 2002, 03:51 AM

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Originally posted by Hadrian Tyrael S. Aventine:
Just to jump back to the Star Trek two lot whole of chekov, how do we know chekov wasn't on the ship when Kahn was around (maybe a scene that we didn't see). Sulu started as a science office on the ship before becoming the helmsman, same with other cast members that came on after the first episodes were made.

That reminds me of a joke Walter Koenig (Chekov) told about this situation. I don't remember exactly how it went, but it was something to the effect that Kahn was waiting to go to the head (that's the bathroom to you who don't speak navy) and apparantly had to wait awhile. when the door opened, Chekov comes out and Kahn says "I'll remember you".