MP: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Game Over. Noobs Triumph!

[rdonj]

Unoptimized - Unfortuantely you will have to pick a different nation, as Namad has already taken Ashdod. I suggest you stop by the noob forum and look at recent discussion into nation selection before announcing your pick.

[tgbob]

I'm loling at Namad getting Ashdod. You noobs best pick a powerhouse nation! Like Man, Man has SUCH good ranged units.

(Don't actually pick Man.)

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by tgbob

I'm loling at Namad getting Ashdod. You noobs best pick a powerhouse nation! Like Man, Man has SUCH good ranged units.

(Don't actually pick Man.)

Ah, the bigger they are, the harder they, er, well, crush your tiny skull...

Well, if the mighty Vets need the crutch of Ashdod to feel they have a chance (we noobs are also willing to throw in a big SUV, or maybe a large caliber hand gun, if they're still feeling the need to compensate for something), then I guess it would be wrong to not let them have it

Yep, let the smack talk officially begin! :P

[rdonj]

Yeah, the vets getting ashdod is a bit excessive. With team support like this, there's just not a whole lot ashdod can't do... it's going to be interesting to see if the noobs can handle them. I know in the last game hinnom pretty much held an entire front singlehandedly.

[namad]

if ashdod is really this unfair we could always just ban ashdod from the game entirely? although if hinnom wasn't banned it seems a bit odd to ban ashdod?

[ano]

Ashdod isn't that terrific as many use to think. It is a widespread opinion that was caused by someone winning several games with them with ease. But game result usually depends on player much more than on nation and there're a lot of very strong nations in middle age besides Ashdod.
Yes, Ashdod is very good but not uber. I clearly remember one very talkative and well-known person doing absolutely nothing with them and being smashed by Ulm who was fighting at several fronts in a couple of turns. So I have to once again say that result depends on player to much greater degree.

[rdonj]

Well, ashdod is banned from a lot of mp games. But having them in this game is not necessarily a bad idea. After all it gives the noobs some practice in attempting to deal with them in an environment where it's difficult to be crushed outright. It just means that figuring out how to fight ashdod will occupy much of the noobs strategic thinking this game. Much like fear of niefelheim in the last game drew much of the noob team's attention. Or the gorgon and VQ in the first one.

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by ano

Ashdod isn't that terrific as many use to think. It is a widespread opinion that was caused by someone winning several games with them with ease. But game result usually depends on player much more than on nation and there're a lot of very strong nations in middle age besides Ashdod.
Yes, Ashdod is very good but not uber. I clearly remember one very talkative and well-known person doing absolutely nothing with them and being smashed by Ulm who was fighting at several fronts in a couple of turns. So I have to once again say that result depends on player to much greater degree.

I think in a team game like this, what few weaknesses ashdod has can be easily patched up by its teammates. Which creates the situation where they really are unmentionably uber.

What game are you talking about btw? PM me the name, I'd like to read the game thread and see if it's informative at all. Ashdod actually only has one HoV win recorded right now, I was under the impression people decided they were so op when they started thinking about the differences between ma and ea, and realized ashdod has a lot less competition than hinnom does.

[ano]

You're right, perhaps, in a team game it is much stronger than in usual just because there're ways to cover its weaknesses.

Also, I'd like to know if ratio 12-6 is final and thus there's no sense to keep following the thread. If Hadrian wants to be an alternate then the game lacks one noob team member to have 14-7 (Hopolsternum wants to play, as far as I understand). I just don't like jumping into the train that already started moving so it is best decided now.

[Pelthin]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

Ah, the bigger they are, the harder they, er, well, crush your tiny skull...

Well, if the mighty Vets need the crutch of Ashdod to feel they have a chance (we noobs are also willing to throw in a big SUV, or maybe a large caliber hand gun, if they're still feeling the need to compensate for something), then I guess it would be wrong to not let them have it

Yep, let the smack talk officially begin! :P

Yeah. What Two-bits Said... Umm.. Is that good smack talk, I am a noob.