Someone cast Wolven Winter on New Orleans!

[Tifone]

Damn ya Fahrenheiters!! Go Centigrades!!!

[llamabeast]

Heat is a different story, though. Heat ("q" from thermo) can only added to the planet from a) cosmic (specifically Solar) radiation, and b) terrestrial release (e.g. burning the Cretaceous period). q can only be shed by radiation.

Atmospheric [CO2] decreases q radiation losses. Since solar q intake has been relatively stable, terrestrial q release has been increasing, and atmospheric [CO2] has been increasing, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize total planetary q is increasing.

The effect of that increased q is (obviously) quite debatable, however.

Thanks, that's exactly what I've been meaning to say. i.e. regardless of the (enormously complex) details, we are definitely trapping more heat in the atmosphere (non-controversial I think?) and one way or another, that's bound to have some big effects. Big effects are most likely bad news.

[krpeters]

Originally Posted by llamabeast

Thanks, that's exactly what I've been meaning to say. i.e. regardless of the (enormously complex) details, we are definitely trapping more heat in the atmosphere (non-controversial I think?) and one way or another, that's bound to have some big effects. Big effects are most likely bad news.

This is where I think a lot of people are missing the boat... why is no one looking at global warming as an opportunity?

*Rapid* big effects are most likely bad news... but *slow* big effects can be great. Imagine Canada and Russia being as warm and fertile as North Carolina or France today! OK, yeah, Bangladesh might sink, but if we can get our act together we could invite all those Bangladeshi farmers to the fertile plains of Siberia to grow crops there instead...

It doesn't *have* to be a disaster if it's managed right!

[Omnirizon]

congratulations licker!!! YOU WIN!

[Tifone]

Oh, c'mon, we can't let him win!

For his own ammission, he didn't read a word of the scientifical souces provided. He posted only that article that was saying the opposite of what he was thinking (the scientists saying the reports of the robots was a phenomenon to study and broaden, him thinking that it was the great proof of "there is not heat" - also while I had provided articles showing that some local cooling being irrelevant).
As source we have only his own word on the topic (not a graph, not an unbiased article) and his belief that thousands of adult, top-intelligent scientists lie and don't really think what they say about this vital phenomenon, because they fear the other childr... ehm the peer review

(Not to sound rude myself too, licker, that's just random thoughts)

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by Tifone

As source we have only his own word on the topic (not a graph, not an unbiased article) and his belief that thousands of adult, top-intelligent scientists lie and don't really think what they say about this vital phenomenon

It's actually sufficient that some of them don't say what they think. (Others say what they think in the report and let UN bureaucrats write the summary and shift decimal places around to exaggerate what they think.) How many people spoke out against eugenics in Nazi Germany?

Oops, I killed the thread.

-Max

[licker]

I know I win, thanks for admitting it.

Anyway, I've posted links to studies showing the temperature drops, I've discussed the findings and why omni was wrong in his assumptions about my positions.

If anyone isn't reading all the information available it's clearly not me, but as omni points out so eloquently...

Some people in this thread don't care about the research, they just care about flaming.

Tifone-

Do you really think I said any of that? Or are you just spinning to what you want to hear?

I've looked at your sources and realized they were not scientific in nature, you do realize this yourself right? So there's nothing wrong with looking at them, but you shouldn't just leave it at that.

Anyway as far as the robot findings are concerned, you really should read that article again, as it appears you have completely missed the point. It was not 'some local cooling' it was over 3000 robots world wide. And they didn't find (much) cooling either.

Seriously what filter do you run information through when you process it?

And when some one says 'not to ' clearly they are fulling intending to . That's ok, like I said, I can keep it seperate from the game (since we're still on the dominions forum) and I don't mind a provocative discussion, I just find it amusing to see you and omni doing exactly what you are accusing me and others of.

Hypocrite much?

Well maybe that's not fair, maybe you and omni just don't have the backgrounds to understand what this debate is really about. I don't know and I don't really care. But if you aren't actually going to show evidence for your claims about what you imagined I said then I'm not going to bother to take your interpretations of some blogs seriously.

And if that sounds rude it probably is.

[Tifone]

Originally Posted by licker

I've looked at your sources and realized they were not scientific in nature, you do realize this yourself right? So there's nothing wrong with looking at them, but you shouldn't just leave it at that.

Yeah, I'm sure all those links that gristmill provides to scientific studies and graphs made by NASA, WWF, EPA, American Meteorological Society, National Academy of Sciences and many others are not nough for you, they're so less "scientific in nature" than your claims.

Originally Posted by licker

And if that sounds rude it probably is.

But it's ok to be rude with me, tough man, I'm not thin-skinned. Just be sure you're not over-compensating.

[Omnirizon]

way to kill the thread MW...

Godwin's Law

[MaxWilson]

Yes, I couldn't resist.