Mongoose - Starting (at last!)

[fabio80mi]

Abysia expresses simpaty to the nation of Ermor

However we never heard before of Caelum so there is little we can do about him.

[abysia has also sent some PMS on the forums, please players check if you're a recepient and reply ]

[WonderLlama]

Ermor never agreed to the terms of our peace agreement. And repeatedly issued unreasonable border demands. You can cry betrayal all you like, but it is not true.

[Aezeal]

Adding lying to your list of sins isn't goign to help you.. YOU where the one with border demands... saying you NEEDED this and that province.. I actually DIDN"T even take any of those provinces.. and we agreed to peace... nothing more...

so let's take the lands of Caelum.. traitor and liar.. for the glory of us all.. feast on his lands!!!

[BigandScary]

On the Eastern Continent the land hungry Ulmish warlords are trying to push out all honest and hardworking folks of other nations. They have issued unreasonable demands to other nations that have merely staked a claim to unsettled and unclaimed land. If these tyrants are not stopped they will become a threat to all decent peoples in this world.

[Eldanesh]

Hey man we just want to secure our borders, our troops can't even walk the countryside without encountering Pangean brigands. Oh and Ermor, as I said before, I will help you when I have access to your continent, which I do not.

[BigandScary]

Secure what you wish, but do not Try to steal these three provinces that are my people's right.

[WonderLlama]

So Caelum, the angels of air, have been accused of lying. Allow me to tell you our story. And then you can decide who is right. Aezeal, you tell us if you consider any of this a lie.

I met Ermor when their forces reached my border, around turn 4 or 5. I expressed a desire for peace. I said I needed a couple of provinces that were currently neutral, that were closer to me then him, so that we could have a border agreement. He then asked for a couple of provinces that were very near my capital. He was expanding very quickly. At this point in the negotiations, he took the last neutral that gave me access to the north. And I found another nation who's capital blocked off my only other path of expansion.

I told Ermor that I needed to expand a certain direction. I told him I didn't even need to take his new territory, that he could point me to a neutral territory beyond his land, and I would fly there. He refused this as well. I told him exactly how many provinces I had access to if I got every neutral available to me, 14. The average land nation on this map should get 17. He already had that many, and access to many more. He told me we should gang up on the other nation blocking my path. A nation smaller than either of us. I considered this dishonorable, and refused. I took several of the remaining border neutrals. He then sent me a message telling me he was going to take one of the two provinces from my original terms.

At this point, I attacked him. As he said, I attacked him in four places. I didn't send him a message telling him I was going to attack him. But I never accepted his demands for peace, he never accepted most of my demands, he asked me to attack another peaceful nation, and he revoked the only thing we agreed to. So unless you think I should have warned him before I invaded, I can't see how you could say I was in the wrong.

[Aezeal]

I'll clarify why you are a total liar:

1. I didn't conquer either of the provinces you indicated you wanted in our first messages
2. "I had acces to many more.." only if that included invading Pangaea.. which would mean you could take them elsewhere too.. there wheren't more indies in my neighbourhood.
3. I kept talking to you about peace and you accepted and replied to those messages without saying there was no peace.. you even talked about peace yourself
4. And since Marignon is now clearly attacking me to and evading you it's clear this was planned even before you attacked me making you an even bigger liar.

So take lands what you can.. but I'll focus all my army on taking down yours and damn what Marignon gains of it..'I can't figth 2:1 yet but if I go down I'll be damned if I go alone.

Anyone feeling like taking some lands.. feel free to attack Marignon and Caelum.

Marignon's Pretender is up north with a large army there can't be much down south... same for Caelum.. lots of armies up north (no pretender seen as of yet) but must be open for expansion.. if you let these 2 grow without growing yourself and keeping them in check then you are wasting an opportunity. Not only an opportunity to claim lands but also to make an ally

[BigandScary]

we are all fighting for scraps of land while the true unchecked conqueror is Ulm. Cross the sea and end this menace.

[sum1lost]

Aezeal, are you roleplaying or actually calling someone a liar? Because right now, you are engaging in a personal attack, and in a small community like this, that is a rather drastic thing to do.